Chinese Coin/Signed " Giorgi"- One Dollar- Forgery?

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chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 10/31/2010 4:10 pm I pulled this Chinese Coin off of the magnetic catcher at my local bank today cashing in coins in the coin counting machine. It's a Chinese dollar, but its not Silver- it's magnetic and weighs approx 19.37 Grams and portions of the rim definitely look like this coin has been pieced together- My question is WHY? I think the real Silver coin weighed around 30.00 Grams but did not have the Giorgi name on the obverse? I havn't a clue about foreign coins, but from what I could find on the Net, the engraver was an Italian named L. Giorgi and these are pattern coins that he signed/ hence maybe that's why this was possibly a forgery? Thanks for any help on what this coin is/is not etc. Chuck. Report this Post to the Staff

wd1040 Pillar of the Community United States 3098 Posts	Posted 10/31/2010 4:29 pm ahhh my favorite coins... You probably guessed it - it's a fake, and quite a bad one as well. The edge looks like that because it had a problem when being forced through a reeding collar. The reeding on fake Chinese coins are made by forcing a smooth-edged coin down a collar that has those reedings. This one probably only went halfway through, and was done again on the other side. The real coin is quite rare, and is worth upwards of 2000 or so dollars. It's not a regular design, but some real examples were in circulation. L Giorgi was the engraver, and only the patterns and very early issues carried his name. Thus, what you have is a forgery of a pattern, introduced for the 3rd year of the Xuantong Emperor **Also, they might have tried to imitate the "bird" reeding style like on the Mexican dollars (which were on the real coins at the time) but the counterfeiters failed at it. Edited by wd1040 10/31/2010 4:30 pm Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 10/31/2010 4:55 pm Thanks for the info! Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 11/02/2010 9:34 pm When I read that the term "Giorgi" was on the coin - I was sure it would be a Fat Man Dollar. The name Giorgi is the name of the forger. That part is simple. These are typically older and cruder versions of the type being made in China today. The edge is VERY INTERESTING. While most Chinese fakes made for the past 20 years have edge reeds applied with a ring die - I am seeing an attempt at a roller applied edge. Can you check to see if there is an OVERLAP at any point? While it may be possible to insert a coin into a ring die twice - they rarely get stuck. I also do not see the typical tapered groove of the ring die. If you do have an overlap please post a picture. If you ever want to sell it keep me in mind. It is a Giorgi I have never encountered before.. Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 11/03/2010 12:15 pm swamperbob: Thanks for the info/input! Here are some more pics of the edge/rim , flattened dot area and 2 nice die cracks on the Obverse. It does appear to have a very slight MAD on the Obverse. If I decide to sell it, I will let you know. Chiuck. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 11/03/2010 2:01 pm The new pictures leave me without a conclusive answer as to how it was edged. It is a cast coin - the cracks are in the mold. There is no grinding at the transition (90 degree corner) between the faces and the rim. The use of a ring die would not leave the details I see here - but how it was done? Still - I think it is a super fake. Not a valuable one but very interesting early modern copy. Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 11/03/2010 3:03 pm Thanks again! Report this Post to the Staff
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