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New Member
Philippines
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Hi, please help me check if this 1906s US-Philippines one peso coin is an original piece. I am planning to bid on it but I am not sure of its genuiness by looking through the pictures posted at ebay. I do not know how to post the ebay link too but you can check the item number is 200540723590 posted today at ebay.com. Thanks in advance... |
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Valued Member
Philippines
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The 1906-S US-Philippines One Peso posted at ebay that your are referring to is a modern counterfeit. Its cost should only reach an average of 14 to 16 US$. All original 1906 does have straight serif on the number one date. the one posted at ebay does have a curved serif on the number one. Its dentils does not bear correct positions in relation to the date. You may also notice the number six', it does not have any upper serif that resembles of a tear-drop shape as well as the number nine on the date. There are two types of counterfeits as you may know. One is a casted type counterfeit and the altered date type as shown in one one you have mentioned as posted at ebay today. Before buying any 1906-s which is the most copied coin here in the Philippines, please be aware of the features on its authenticity specially the dentils alignment to its date. When I started collecting these 1906 peso coins 3 decades ago, I was eager to know the difference and to easily detect counterfeits. So I even made it a point to try to buy even the nicest counterfeit that is in the market just to have an actual basis and comparison to the originals. Another thing that I also did was to be familiarized with other 1906 USPI coins through some auctions, may it be Heritage, Stacks etc... So Goodluck in finding one  |
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Pillar of the Community
Philippines
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The altered date 1906s date is actually a 1905s curved serif "1", the "5" outline is easy to hide under the "6" but a 12x magnifying glass can show you the edges of the milled "5" peeking out. This examination is only possible with coin in hand It's technically a genuine 1905 1peso silver coin but a fake 1906 as ref, the genuine 1905s at VG sells abt US$25 to US$30 in auctions  |
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New Member
 Philippines
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dentils does not bear correct positions in relation to the date.
You may also notice the number six', it does not have any upper serif that resembles of a tear-drop shape as well as the number nine on the date. Thanks for the nice replies buddies :-). I am still new in surfing, could you please pm / send me some pictures of the correct position of its dentils if possible. I really want to be able to determine fake from genuine ones and further study characteristics of these 1906-s USPI peso. |
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Valued Member
Philippines
386 Posts |
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I really want to be able to determine fake from genuine ones and further study characteristics of these 1906-s USPI peso I will send you some pictures. I am still in the process of compiling through photobucket. Once done, I will also post here. One sad thing though, the above 1906 coin you posted already reached more than 500 dollars in ebay auction today, even with an added description that says... Quote:I have to inform the current and future bidders that I received a letter from a coin collector. He wrote me that this coin is not genuine. I am not an expert on US-Philippine coins, therefore I put on ebay three maximum zoom pictures with a date and mint mark. Please make your own search before bidding. I hope the winning bidder will get to realize that it is fake (asap) once he/she received the coin because the seller is already making justification that he could make use in the near future. |
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Valued Member
Philippines
386 Posts |
bagets: the pictures below are two specimens of a fake 1906-s USPI that you have to be very careful in buying. The first one is an almost perfect example of an altered date, check the no.6. But you will notice the curve serif of the no.1 The 2nd picture is a perfect straight serif 1, but you will notice its date position versus the dentils    |
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Pillar of the Community
Philippines
1156 Posts |
nic pics! that is exactly it pandesalapi! thanks for the pics ! |
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New Member
Philippines
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the pictures below are two specimens of a fake 1906-s USPI that you have to be very careful in buying. The first one is an almost perfect example of an altered date, check the no.6. But you will notice the curve serif of the no.1
The 2nd picture is a perfect straight serif 1, but you will notice its date position versus the dentils Pandesalapi, do you mean that even the second picture having a straight serif on the number 1 as you have posted is also fake? It is really very hard to distinguish fake ones then...  |
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Valued Member
Philippines
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do you mean that even the second picture having a straight serif on the number 1 as you have posted is also fake? Yes Bagets, even with a straight serif, the 2nd picture is also a counterfeit. You will only notice that it is fake : ...from the knob of the no.9 serif that should be much bigger as found on 1905-s straight serif. This is because the pattern of the die was the same during those times. ...you can also distinguish that it is fake by looking on the dentils below the date. All original 1906-s does have same patterns, I am still compiling all records and samples of original ones for us to be able to compare to the above counterfeit specimen pictures. Oh by the way, the one you mentioned 1906-s coin at ebay was now removed and bidding was cancelled. Maybe some American collectors reported it as fake to ebay admin. It is a relief then knowing no one at ebay will be ripped-off again by buying fake ones especially these very much sought after 1906 peso coins. |
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New Member
Philippines
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hey buddies! I'm mike from surigao city, philippines. I'm new in this site. last night my father showed me his coin collection and I was surprised when I saw a 1903 uspi peso coin. at this very moment I started so search regarding these coin. and bang! I found this site. you mentioned only 1906 and no 1903...is my father 1903 peso coin fake or 1903 really don't exist? I really don't know this kind of stuff so help me. I can post a pic coin front and back view. thank you so much and God bless you all! have a nice day!
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Valued Member
Philippines
386 Posts |
Hi Mike,  to the community. 1903 USPI is the 1st year issue of these coins until 1912 for one peso denomination. It would be better if you will post some pictures here |
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New Member
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Hello guys I'm Jonessa from Surigao City, Philippines. I'm new in this site and my cousin, Michael, recommended this site to me and I red all your forums about coin. I have a coin here from my grandfather but it's not a uspi peso coin, it's a uspi 50 centavos coin 1907. I don't know if it is real or fake. I have here a total of 12 uspi coins with different year and amount. I can post a photos of all of those coins if you want. Thank you & God bless you all.  |
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New Member
Philippines
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  here's my 1903 uspi peso coin. pls assess and make a comment whether this coin is authentic or not...hope this coin has a great value:-) this coin weigh of 26.9 grams, I weighed this on pawnshop. sir pandesalapi, especially you cause I think your the best guy knows this kind of stuff. thanks and God bless! |
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Valued Member
Philippines
386 Posts |
Hi Mike, I am sad to inform that even with the supposedly correct weight, the specimen coin you posted is definitely a counterfeit. There exist a lot of fake USPI counterfeits in our country that are almost the same as originals. You may notice on my two samples of fake 1906-s USPI especially the counterfeit one with a straight serif as shown in the pictures. Though by looking more closely you may still notice its difference in the correct count of the coin's dentils against its date positions. Back to your coin, it's worth keeping though so that in case you might acquire a genuine piece in the future, you will be able to compare it for study purposes. Goodluck in your newfound hobby |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Just finding this post, I was intrigued by the dates on the 1906-S pictured above.
Comparing to a real, certified 1906-S, I now see the difference. Especially the "1" digit; the bottom serifs are all wrong.
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New Member
Philippines
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@sir pandesalapi: thank you sir for your tym though its sad to know about my coin  maybe I shud read an research more about this things so that I can learn more God bless!  |
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