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1997-D LMC On Foreign Planchet

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I have posted this coin in the past with some speculation from members. Some have said that it could be a fake slab because of the crude holder surrounding the coin. I have owned this coin for 13 years and my question is this. I am contemplating cracking the coin out, weighing it, and sending it back to ANACS. What are your thoughts? BTW, I purchased it from a reputable dealer. Thanks

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Hi

First off I noticed you mentioned that you wanted to send it back.
Did you send this coin to them in the first place for the slab ?
If not, and you bought it as it is now, can't you call or contact
anacs and get the serial number verified.
Seems like a long shot it being on a foreign planchet unless
you can track down any info about the mint doing any foreign jobs
at that time.
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Also interesting that the coins date is the same yr.
that you bought it. That hole does look a little rough though.
The seams on the slab case seem suspect also. But hard to tell
by the pic. naturally it would of had to been cracked open first then reglued. Why, I have no idea.
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Thanks Indian1. I have confirmed other 1997-D's struck on Foreign Planchets. NGC has graded 2 if my memory serves me correct. It was a website that confirmed that. I'm trying to find that site. It was 1997 or 98 when I purchased it, I can't really remember which year to be honest. I am going to contact ANACS to see if they have a record of this coin being certified. I wish they had a database like PCGS does.
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Just confirmed this one from jimscoins.com
I emailed him for a picture of coin.

60 1997 D CENT STRUCK ON FOREIGN PLANCHET 1.9 GRAMS
PCGS RED
MS63 MB $240.00
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I would be more comfortable calling it a foreign planchet if it was actually matched to another countries coinage. Other possibilities are orphan scrap metal or thin stock. With that said, Zincoln planchets are supplied by Jarden Zinc and they also supply planchets to other world mints. As far as I know, the US Mint has not done any foreign contract work since the 1980s(other than the Leif Ericson commem for Iceland) but a planchet mixup at Jarden is quite possible.
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I think we discussed this before Bob, I recognize the term, orphan scrap ;-)
Anyway, I found the website that shows countries we struck coinage for, as well as a list (toward the bottom), that shows some coins certified as such. The 1997-D was in fact certified by NGC as struck on foreign planchet.

http://minterrornews.com/news-5-13-...he_mint.html

Here is an interesting one:
2000-D Sacagawea dollar PCGS Struck on a Ghana 100 Cedis Ringed Planchet. The Ghana Blank is from a Bi-Metallic coin.
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Unfortunately, the slab now longer allows you to weigh the coin, to find out a little more about it. It is a pity that it's mass was not noted on the slab.
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I would say if you bought it from a reputable dealer and you are comfortable that its authentic then I wouldn't worry about cracking it out and resubmitting it unless you just wanted a piece of mind that its authentic or want to prove it is to someone that has told you it wasn't because after 13 years I am sure you have already went over the sellers return policy time limit
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Copper-plated zinc cents on undersized, underweight copper-plated zinc planchets are known from 1995 to 2000. They are definitely foreign planchets, but the country and denomination has never been identified. They are not Malaysian 1 sen planchets nor are they Singapore 1 cent planchets. You'll find both assignments scattered among slabs but they're both incorrect. The coins fall into two populations. The more common weigh around 1.7 grams. The less common weigh about 2.0 grams. Evidently we're dealing with two denominations and probably two different countries.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the rough look of the slab. ANACS probably used a dime blank and drilled it out to match the coin since a cent blank would have allowed the coin to rattle. At that time, ANACS was (and may still be) gluing their slabs and I have had several loose their seal because of cracks from handling or dropping and some were never completely sealed in the first place. PGCS and NGC do not use glue, they weld the two halves of the slab together for a permanent air tight seal. ANACS has changed their slab many times over the years and to be honest, I like some of their earlier ones more than more recent versions. ANACS, just like PCGS and NGC, should be able to validate the slab and the coin it contains free of charge.
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Thanks for your inputs everyone, and thank you Mike.
It's funny you mention Singapore 1 cent planchet. That was one of the planchets that I have been told it may have been struck on but you have definitely shed light on that situation :)
Clair, welcome to the CCF!
I like these small ANACS holders too. I'm going to leave it in there and I also considered a dime holder that ANACS altered to house this coin since the foreign planchet it was struck on, was more than likely smaller than a US cent planchet.
BTW, PCGS is my favorite holder by far. Back in the day, I actually had to send one of these ANACS small slabs back for a reholder because it was separating!
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