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WashQuartJesse Valued Member United States 173 Posts	Posted 11/13/2010 09:36 am I can't add much to Wheatguy's post (which I fully agree with), but will say that I've seen many higher grade (usually 66) MS coins with this type of toning. I've also photographed this type of toning. If you've ever taken photographs of coins from this era with similar toning you know what you're looking at here. The olive you see in the photo is a bright chartreuse green in hand. What looks like a copper hue in the photo, is probably bright red. My point is that photos can be misleading. I'm not defending this coin, or suggesting that I particularly care for this toning, but am surprised so many of you absolutely detest it and oppose the grade assuming it isn't worn. Report this Post to the Staff
Adam_E Pillar of the Community United States 4846 Posts	Posted 11/13/2010 09:54 am Report this Post to the Staff
clairhardesty Pillar of the Community United States 1027 Posts	Posted 11/13/2010 10:21 am " Morgan dollars were never in mint or proof sets" Actually, there were proof sets produced that contained Morgan dollars. The 1878 10 piece proof set contained proof examples of both the 8 and 7 tail feather coins and a Trade dollar, for instance. The 1879 7 piece proof set contained both a Morgan and a Trade dollar. Even the 1904 six pice proof set has a Morgan in it. Report this Post to the Staff
wheatguy Pillar of the Community United States 1534 Posts	Posted 11/13/2010 3:55 pm Quote: but will say that I've seen many higher grade (usually 66) MS coins with this type of toning. I've also photographed this type of toning. If you've ever taken photographs of coins from this era with similar toning you know what you're looking at here. The olive you see in the photo is a bright chartreuse green in hand. What looks like a copper hue in the photo, is probably bright red. My point is that photos can be misleading. I'm not defending this coin, or suggesting that I particularly care for this toning, but am surprised so many of you absolutely detest it and oppose the grade assuming it isn't worn. Lukkyseven, you need to keep in mind that the images are digital, not guaranteed to be an accurate representation of the coin in hand. I'm sure in hand that isn't actually wear, and to be honest I have enough faith in the expert graders at NGC to assume that they know what they're doing and don't blatantly give circulated coins MS grades. Toners are notoriously difficult to image and I'm sure in hand the coin is different than the image implies. Edited by wheatguy 11/13/2010 3:56 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Adam_E Pillar of the Community United States 4846 Posts	Posted 11/13/2010 4:20 pm chaihardesty: oh. Report this Post to the Staff
coppertop5150 Pillar of the Community United States 958 Posts	Posted 11/13/2010 11:28 pm sometimes the picture is not even of the coin 4sale. The fine print usually indicates I have emailed people on coins and this is the case A person that sells alot of coins often mixes up pics by mistake. One seller emailed me and said something to this effect " I'm just a reseller using a stock photo, the wharehouse has all the coins the email me the sales price and discription if each coin. I list auction and take payment then they mail out the coin , I dont actually have that coin in my possesion or mail it, But do offer a money back return if its not up to par with the discription." Report this Post to the Staff
scott hill Valued Member United States 66 Posts	Posted 11/14/2010 12:02 am Toning hides features and is hard to catch well in a photo from what I see it's not clear enough to give a proper representation so unless the coin is in hand we must give the graders the benifit of the doubt Report this Post to the Staff
thecoinczar Valued Member United States 455 Posts	Posted 11/14/2010 2:11 pm What a bunch of crap is right! It makes me so angry when I see coins like this one falling through the cracks! Report this Post to the Staff
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