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1953 Yugoslavia 50 Para Doubled Die?

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I picked up a bucket of world coins today and I'm going through them and trying to identify and learn about them. I thought this one was interesting.

It looks like a doubled die to me. But, I've been fooled once before.

Most notably on the top of the 53 and the stars above 50, but pretty much around the entire coin.

Is this a known variety or any thoughts. I couldn't really find anything on the internets.



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I agree with you, and let myself be fooled (as on other occasions, as well).

I travelled through the then Jugoslavija in 1970, and remember spending these sorts of things.
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In the first years of "communist" Yugoslavia they minted coins once a decade or so. The next issue after 1953 was '65. The Krause doesn't have mintage figures for '53, but they have to be enormous. With such a volume I'd be surprised if there were not a bunch of errors, though I have no idea how common they are.
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Oh, and nice find, Scoob, and welcome to the Dark side!

Pretty soon you'll be selling off your US coins to make room for foreign beauties.
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svslav,

Where did the term Dark side came from, who originally came up with that terminology? It has cross my mind several times lately!
Inquiry mind wants to know.

Please be patient with me on this one. Thanks!
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Wow! Once a decade! Would have never assumed that. That's some handy info. Common or not, as long as it's a variety, it's a keeper!

Of other coins I thought were at the top of the cool factor list were:

an 1896 Queen Victoria penny - pretty worn but still the oldest GB coin I've held
a 1882, 4 and 1922 Netherlands pennies along with a 1904 2.5 cent piece - pretty cool!
an 1899 French coin with CINQ spelled correctly - beat up, though
I believe an 1826 Sicilian coin - but it looks like a dig find, bummer
several large Australian pennies, 2 ('39 & '41) Half Cent
several older large GB pennies
a few early teen Canadian large cents
1905 Canadian nickel
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macmercury, this question comes up all the time. This could help.
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I also like the lovely die crack across the star, most visible in the close-up.
I'd say not only do you probably have a double-struck obverse, but judging by the strange bumps--for lack of the knowledge of the appropriate term--visible in the "0" you might also have further strike issues afoot here. Any theories as to what might have caused those odd, raised bumps? Die wear? Struck through something?

-SCS
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My first impression was some kind of planchet flaw.

It kind of looks like the gas bubbles you get under zincolns. There is also disturbed metal or some weird kind of metal flow above and left of the 5. But, I can't tell if it's PMD or the planchet.

I don't think it's double struck, but I guess it could be.
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Scooby Due: Throw one or two of those Aussie pennies in the bottom of your toilet cistern, they are excellent for killing algal growth. I did that when I visited some in-laws in San Diego a couple of years ago.
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The doubling you see could be the result of a very worn die.
From what I see, the corners where the devices meet the fields have deteriorated away, producing an illusion of doubling. Can you see an serif separation?
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Quote:
Can you see an serif separation?


I believe it is.

Look at the two stars above the 50. The "V" cut at the top of the stars looks just like that in hand. It also shows really well at the top of the 53 of the date.
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The stars is the place to look--I see the notching too.
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