Coin ID 1600's ? | Bouillon & Sedan 2 Liards 1613

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yabewon New Member Australia 9 Posts	Posted 11/15/2010 6:14 pm I need help to id this copper coin dated 1613 or 1618. I took coin to a dealer and he seemed to rule out british and French and seems to think it is Spanish maybe from the south american colonies. the back side writing on the right is: SV? KING EPS.SEL Identified - moved to World Coins forum - Sap Edited by yabewon 11/15/2010 6:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Sap Moderator Australia 16808 Posts	Posted 11/15/2010 8:11 pm Your reading of the lettering is close, but not quite right. The "K" is an "R", and your "G" is a "C", which makes the word the Latin "Princeps" - Prince. The full reverse inscription would read "SVP PRINCEPS SEDANI ET RAV" (High Prince of Sedan & Raucourt) - it's a copper liard from the French Principality of Sedan, which was an independent state allied to France at the time the coin was struck. The ruler depicted is Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne. Here's an example of your coin in better condition. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
yabewon New Member Australia 9 Posts	Posted 11/16/2010 5:22 pm wonderful, thank your for your help. Report this Post to the Staff
yabewon New Member Australia 9 Posts	Posted 11/16/2010 7:53 pm hi, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I have noticed on the web that there are different types of this coin. My version has vertical stripes on the left side of the shield. The example your link pointed to had no vertical stripes on the left of the shield. any chance of defining the type of my coin, type 1, type 2 etc. ? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16808 Posts	Posted 11/17/2010 07:53 am OK, I finally got around to looking it up in my 1600s Krause catalogue. "Bouillon & Sedan" is the state it's listed under. The denomination is actually 2 liards, and there are four basic types: two with reverse legend "SEDANENSIS" dated 1613 and two with legend "SEDANI ET RAV" or "SEDANI ET RAVC" dated 1614. Your date looks more like 1613 to me, so I'd assume it's one of the first two types; these are distinguished by the obverse legend, which is unreadable on your coin. They're listed as KM# 12.1 or 12.2. There aren't supposed to be any "vertical stripes on the left of the shield" - that would be post-mint damage on your coin. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
yabewon New Member Australia 9 Posts	Posted 11/19/2010 7:00 pm got it. thanks for your help again. the vertical stripes are not groved, they are raised impressions as if they were stamped. I'll research this further. Maybe an error coin? what would the catalog say the normal value of km# 12.1 or 12.2 be in my coin condition. ? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16808 Posts	Posted 11/19/2010 10:20 pm I would say post-mint damage, rather than a possible mint error. It's likely something heavy was placed on top of it, squeezing the lines into one side and squeezing flat the details on the other side. Perhaps the coin was sitting underneath a large piece of furniture, or even used in the foundation of a building. In my 2002 edition of the 1600s catalogue, KM# 12.1 has a value of $6.50 in Good, while KM# 12.2 has a value of $7. Though if I saw your coin in a dealer's shop window here in Australia, it would probably have a $40 to $50 pricetag on it. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
yabewon New Member Australia 9 Posts	Posted 11/20/2010 11:59 pm ok, thanks for your help. I guess I'll try to sell it at a trash and treasure market for about $40. Seems fair. thanks again Report this Post to the Staff
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