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Carausius Seated Britannia?

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 Posted 12/08/2010  09:00 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Was bidding on this on ebay but didn't win, was desperatly trying to put a higher bid in when time ran out .

Was wondering what others thought of it, link here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...t_500wt_1156

As far as I'm aware Carausius has no confirmed coins with a seated Britannia? I greeting Britannia but no seated ones.

Firstly the obverse looks fine to me, yes his neck is huge but many Carausius coins show these kind of stylised busts.

The reverse is very stylised and I would normally say it was Barbarous but when taking into account its a Carausius and the above statement I'm not too sure.

As far as the reverse goes, it looks like Britannia, seated on what looks to be a shield and holing what again looks to be an olive branch. Cant see the tips of the trident but it again seems to be present.

Its also 24mm, which is large for a Barbarous.

So, what do you lot think?

Fake?
An unknown Carausius coin?
A barbarous of an unknown Carausius coin?
A bodged barbarous of a Carausius Neptune coin?
A bodged barbarous of a Carausius and another coin with a seated Britannia on?

Bit annoyed as I collect Carausius, Barbarous and Britannia coins and think I may have let an awesome coin slip me by!

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 Posted 12/08/2010  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just had a thought, is it Fortuna sitting on a wheel? That would make it rare but not a show stopper and make me feel a little better
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 Posted 12/08/2010  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Getas75 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am again venturing far from what I know best, but no one seems to be posting any archaic Macedonian coins these days...

However, as all areas of numismatics fascinate me, I will risk an opinion:

Would not seeing Roma be simpler? As in RIC 387-389: "ROMAE AETER[N]. Roma seated l. on shield holding victory and sceptre"...

or, given the ]XXI (as in CXXI = 288-90) in the exergue, it might even be RIC 390: "ROMAE AETERNAE. Roma seated l. on shield presenting Victory to Emp. stg. r. and holding spear". There is room to the l. for a standing emperor, although I cannot say I clearly see one...

All from the Mint of Camulodunum.

The obverse inscription is not really of help, as it is the letter that follows the ]CARAVSIVSP (seen on our one) that would make the difference...The bust is radiate (which fits all the poposed RIC nos) and draped...but is it also cuirassed? I can't tell for sure, but I think not (although, as noted in RIC, p. 464, note 1: "The covering of the busts is often so stiffly drawn on British coins that it is difficult to decide whether the engraver intended to depict a cuirass, a mantle, or both"). If, then, he is not cuirassed, our choices are narrowed down to 389 or 390.

I hope that helped.
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 Posted 12/08/2010  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Getas75 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As we went into some discussion about details on the coin the image might be useful:

Carausius-Seated-Britannia?
Carausius-Seated-Britannia?
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 Posted 12/08/2010  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, thanks for your input.

Roma is certainly possible, I'm not very experienced using RIC but would agree with you that 388 (AETERN) looks probable, I also found a reference to a coin from the Little Orme hoard (1907) with the above legend, I dont think this one is recorded in RIC.

There are similar coins from Rotomagus but none as close as the Camulodunum matches.

I think the XXI is in reference to the 20:1 metal ratio.

Its a shame the coin in question is not in better condition, as as far as I can tell it does not match any recorded ones fully including exerge and mintmark.

So far I've been unable to find a good example of a Fortuna to match it.

I think we have now established though that its certainly not as described Britannia seated, which makes me feel better for not winning the auction.

Its a nice coin but would have been pretty sick to have paid £80-£100 for it.

I'm off to read up on archaic Macedonian coins now .
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 Posted 01/12/2011  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its not worth $5 to me in that condition-my opinion.Its goota be atleast completly attributal,legend,ect.that is why I have alot more common coins.lolol
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