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Stars On Seated Liberty Half Dollar

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This is my first Seated Liberty Half purchase. So I gotta ask about the stars here on my 1855 O. I threw in the extra pics for fun just cause I have em.





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 Posted 12/28/2010  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse has a tooled appearance. Both the stars and Miss Liberty appear to have been ground down, perhaps in an attempt to remove scratches or other surface problems. Photos of the entire obverse/reverse surfaces would might help us figure out what's going on. Using only the images provided this appears to be a coin with serious problems.
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I agree, the buildup around the stars are a good indication that tooling has occurred. I have seen build up like this with whizzing also. Doubling can not occur 360 degrees around a device because that would be a small star over a large star not doubling, there is some Mechanical Doubling (that doesn't raise the value and not really considered doubling at all) that is all the way around but this doesn't look like one of those cases
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 Posted 12/28/2010  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted a piece very similar not long ago and was given info to look up on Longacre doubling.

Check it out: http://www.coinresource.com/article...ery_coin.htm
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I do not believe this is longacre doubling either, I really believe what bherring has said that it seems to be the result of some type of tooling
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 Posted 12/28/2010  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Couldn't we then say the same about the coin I posted?

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Cool, thanks for all the awesome info! With a loupe I can see what appears to be the Longacre doubling on all stars, around lady liberty, the date, arrows. For example, in my photo above you can see a lip under the liberty cap, on Liberty's nose and the top of east arrow. The date and arrows is what initially drew me to the coin. So I'm left with a couple of questions.

What would make this not a Longacre?

How does this affect the value of the coin?

Thanks!!


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I would say the obv does show Longarce doubling.
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I concur with Longacre doubling, it should not affect the value.
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alright I am not one that can not say "Im wrong" when I am so I am wrong and I apologize for the misinformation
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No worries, it is my fault for not posting better pics! And the coin isn't in great condition with a lot of the doubling difficult to see.
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 Posted 12/29/2010  01:33 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aahhh..I didn't see that as doubling either.
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I'm learning, too!

I just wanted to be sure I understood whether I was looking at retooling, Lonagcre or maybe both.
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I assume that this "Longacre doubling" refers to Chief Engraver James Longacre?

What is the accepted cause of this effect?

edited to add:

Never mind, I just clicked the links in this thread to see what the accepted theories are..... Counter-intuitive to me... not buying any of that stuff.
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