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What Are The Thoughts On Buying Morgans On Ebay?

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 Posted 12/31/2010  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try Numismedia which is a free online price guide. Greysheet is a lot more accurate but it isn't free, although you can request one free sample.


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I'm leaning toward bidding from dealers with lots of positive feedback and a return policy. The worst case is probably an incorrect grade, but not an outright fake coin.


This may sound somewhat strange but if you aren't buying either 1. key date or scarce coins, 2. coins from a highly counterfeited series (i.e Trade and Bust Dollars) counterfeits shouldn't be that big of a worry to you since the majority of counterfeits are in the categories that I mentioned. You do still have to be careful, just not as much.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With all due respect to vela123321, he/she needs to be able to grade accurately if he is going to be purchasing raw coins. Most people don't realize they are over paying for something until much later when they try to sell these same coins.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with most of the above statements. Obviously, all of these other posters are looking out for your best interests. Just remember that no matter what coins you buy, you will be looking at them so you'd do well to do your research and not get ripped off.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stick with buying from coin shops or coin shows. Study coin grading for awhile. Stay away from slabbed coins, they are ruining our coin collecting hobby and enriching a few greedy companies. Just my humble opinion.....
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 Posted 12/31/2010  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ok... so I like the idea of "knowing the market" for the coins you are interested in collecting, and I guess that's where I'm trying to find a comfort level. I noticed that the dealers I've looked at in a shop have prices that seem much higher than what things sell for on ebay.


This is quite true in many cases and many dealers. I'm sure every area is different, but in the Bay Area CA and around Fort Bragg NC, I'm only comfortable with about 25% of the dealers out there. Most either over grade or overprice their coins. Of course, if they have customers willing to spend the money then I guess that's capitalism. I just already know I can get better deals and I stay away from them. Some of them I just get a slick, used car salesman feel from.

Now, here's the same with ebay. It's about the same, but with important differences. The "dealers" you don't like are easy to skip past. Do this little test. Pick any year, mintmark and grade coin. For consistency filter to only find certified examples. Last, select that you only want to see completed listings.

Notice crazy ratio of RED prices to GREEN. For every coin sold, usually at a reasonable price, there's like ten asking way too much money and they simply don't sell. On top of that, most of the ones that DO sell are auctions as opposed to 'By It Now.'

I hate it when I see a coin I like only to discover it's a BIN coin. The vast majority of the time it's way overpriced. But on the plus side there are so many coins for sale that you can sift through these, and if you know what you're doing find the coin you want at a reasonable price. Especially if you're patient.

Edit: ALSO, feel free to post an ebay listing in the room and ask for opinions. If there's a particular coin you're looking for I wouldn't mind looking for you and posting suggestions.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vela123321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all of the great suggestions. I appreciate all of the advice. This all came about because I was frustrated from the grumpy dealer I was talking to in San Diego and then I overpaid for a Morgan from a dealer in Anchorage, where I was traveling on business. Caveat emptor... I shouldn't be buying a coin that I don't have a solid grasp of the value of. I thought I was "safer" buying from a dealer, but it did feel more like dealing with a used car salesman. I have been looking at the closed auctions on my ebay watch list, and I get the impression that people are very familiar with the general area of where coins should be valued. When I go into a store, I've get to see one price set by one individual who graded the coin himself. Anyway, thanks for so much great info...
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I have no qualms with dealers, they have to operate like any other business, but with the online pricing one has to lean towards as if you can buy WHOLESALE..like you pay the dealers cost while you have no cost to operate as a business....you have no over head......tyr to buy any thing else on this premisis..I am not a dealer, just a collector and I too have to way these same issues....The real deal is, if your in some shop you can see first hand what the coin is truely like...AS IN cleaned or hairlines from rubbing some shelf ti was sitting on....THE TPG'S have been shutting these coins down as cleaned, despite the fact this was a normal practice for a hundred years..as well as dipping or cleaning to keep the LUSTER as the main focus...That is why tones "ORIGINAL COINS" have a market now..but also there are "Doctored" coins faking original toning demanding SO MUCH money...
Look....if your going to spend money, take the time to learn the subject...if your going to invest in STOCKS and BONDS, would you not wonder if the companies is SOLVENT, or a hype by the trader trying to meet his quota sales........ Or would you be like the guy who just hit the POWERBALL....took everyone's advise and went broke in 5 years?
Even pennies add up........or to many dollars are thrown away..

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 Posted 01/05/2011  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnstac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find ebay to be notoriously high. I call it the lazy mans buying place simply because it's easy to bid but the prices are consistently way over ask price and the condition is usually lacking. If you are going to pay full price+ you may as well bid at Teletrade
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 Posted 01/05/2011  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lewbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was able to buy several common Morgan's when silver was in the mid to upper teens reasonable, but now I agree ebay is not a place for deals.
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I find ebay to be notoriously high. I call it the lazy mans buying place simply because it's easy to bid but the prices are consistently way over ask price and the condition is usually lacking.


I have to disagree with you on this. When I search ebay I'm mostly looking at mid range coins (a couple hundred to several hundred dollars) that are certified. I have routinely seen these sell for very decent, sometimes great prices. If all you've done is browse ebay and look at ask prices then I can see how you would get that impression. ebay is full of dealers asking ridiculous 'buy it now' prices. But notice those almost never sell. Skip past them and go for the no-reserve auctions.

As for the condition usually lacking, what are you referring to? There's an abundance of coins from Poor to MS70 on ebay.
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 Posted 01/07/2011  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vela123321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok... so I bought on ebay an 1884 CC Morgan which ANACS graded MS-62 for $159.16 and an 1883 CC which NGC graded MS-62 for $187.50. Both sellers were Top Sellers with 100% positive feedback.
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I find ebay to be notoriously high. I call it the lazy mans buying place simply because it's easy to bid but the prices are consistently way over ask price and the condition is usually lacking.


That's untrue IMO, I agree with USArmyParatrooper. I don't know where you're getting your pricing or grading information from but ebay is generally a good place to buy from.
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Ok... so I bought on ebay an 1884 CC Morgan which ANACS graded MS-62 for $159.16 and an 1883 CC which NGC graded MS-62 for $187.50. Both sellers were Top Sellers with 100% positive feedback.


Sounds like the right ballpark more or less. We need some pictures though....


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I find ebay to be notoriously high. I call it the lazy mans buying place simply because it's easy to bid but the prices are consistently way over ask price and the condition is usually lacking.


I agree that many, and "even most", sellers overgrade and over charge for their coins on ebay. The key is, in addition to knowlege of the market, knowlege of your series, and knowlege of how to grade; ebay shoppers need to develop an " ebay filter". All the overgraded and overpriced junk doesn't get a second look, it just gets weeded out by the filter. Once that is done, I have found many of my best purchases ever on ebay and also made lots of money cherrypicking.
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