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What Are The Thoughts On Buying Morgans On Ebay?

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 Posted 12/31/2010  03:52 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vela123321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just a little background... I haven't collected coins since I was a kid. I'm getting my daughter into collecting, and as a result it's gotten me started again. I'm having a lot of fun. I'm able to afford coins that were always way out of my league as a kid. I've enjoyed getting a lot of large cents and some Half Cents, but I've always liked the Morgan silver dollar. I only have 4, and I've been looking at coins on ebay. When I was a kid, it was easy to go into coin store and look at counters full of coins. That doesn't seem so popular anymore, and I'm leery of ebay for Morgans. I don't have the skill to spot a fake, and that coin seems more likely to be counterfeit than other coins. So... what are the thoughts on where to go to collect Morgan dollars? is the risk also there for large cents and Half Cents? It seems like that market would be so small that it wouldn't be worth making the fakes.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum! Trust me, fake morgans are out there. There are plenty of places on the net to study fake Morgans. If buying off of ebay try to buy from people with lots of feedbacks and all positive feedbacks (however, this is not fool-proof ). Judge the grade of the coin for yourself since you will be the one looking at it. If buying rare dates, always buy coins certified by third party graders such as NGC or PCGS. Don't buy coins in slabs from companies such as SGS or other 'garage' graders. These companies notoriously overgrade. And above all, do not buy anything coming from China! Do your research and you can make some good buys off of ebay.
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If you are going to buy coins, it is always a good idea to learn and study the coins that interest you or pay top dollar for somebody else's knowledge...even slabs are faked nowaday.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I will be the snob in this discussion. Purchase only PCGS graded Morgan dollars. You have the PCGS website to check the authentication number.
PCGS is the perceived market leader of all third party grading companies.
Also be aware that 70% of all raw coins sold on e-bay are problem coins. By that I mean they will not grade with the upper tier third party grading companies. Problems could be: artificially toned, cleaned, whizzed, added mint marks, puttied, counterfeit, scratched, finger prints, thumbed, environmental damage and wiped.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You for sellers that only deal in coins and have a high feedback rating, also for the sellers that offer a full money back guarantee if the coin is not as described.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bad coins and bad deals with little recourse for the buyer is a bad business practice that has thrived way too long.
I am not a e-bay seller and not much much of an e-bay buyer, but I look a lot. If people buying raw coins can't grade and don't know the ropes of coin collecting, they are getting ripped off big time. They just don't know it....Yet.
That is why this practice of bad deals with bad coins persists.
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I disagree with ozland on the advice to only buy PCGS coins. Why not NGC or ANACS? As long as a bit of research ia done on how to spot the different forms of cleaning and how to authenticate at least to a small extent, you'll most likely be fine. Also if you're planning on buying only common dates then the majority of the time you can automatically assume the coin to be genuine.
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NGC and ANACS and ICG are considered top tier third party graded companies. But ask most dealers what they prefer and it is PCGS. Why? Because PCGS graded coins consistently command top dollar. This isn't just my opinion. The market at large has already decided this issue.
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Lots of good advice already posted. The only thing I would add I'd that counterfeits are much, much less likely for low-mid level coins. And by that I mean $300 or less. But definately be weiry of keys and semi-keys.

But as someone else pointed out, "problem" coins run rampent on ebay, and sometimes they're tough to spot in photographs.

Some will disagree with me on this, but I say only by certified coins if they're mid-high range. And I think every would agree to only buy from those with a no-questions return policy.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's true but with higher demand for PCGS coins the price is also higher leading to good deals with the other graders. The possibility of overpaying for a coin is the same no matter which TPG, including PCGS.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only thing I would add to a lot of the good advice already given is know what the market is($) for the coin you want, set a price in your mind that you would pay for that coin bid that price and don't go a penny higher EVER you would be surprised what you can find at your local coin shop/show for the price you want to pay.IMO.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The possibility of overpaying for a coin is the same no matter which TPG, including PCGS.---Absolutely true. But the possibility of overpaying for a problem or counterfeit coin which is not graded by a respected third party grading company is greater.



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 Posted 12/31/2010  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, that's true. Learning how to buy raw wih confidence is a good skill IMO because with raw coins there is an increased chance of profit if you know what you're doing because slabbed coins have more of a set value and are a bit harder to get a really good deal on. Personally, the best deals and profits I have gotten were with raw coins.
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Don't forget GSA Morgans. They should be fairly safe.
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 Posted 12/31/2010  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vela123321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok... so I like the idea of "knowing the market" for the coins you are interested in collecting, and I guess that's where I'm trying to find a comfort level. I noticed that the dealers I've looked at in a shop have prices that seem much higher than what things sell for on ebay. I think that, for raw coins, the disparity might be in my incorrect grading of a coin I see listed on ebay. Should I subscribe to PCGS to be in the neighborhood of pricing? I've been cross checking with the Red Book, https://www.valueincoins.com and https://www.coinstudy.com. In several dealer shops I'm seeing CC dollars sell for much higher prices than the coin value sites I listed above say they should. I would like to buy a coin from my local dealer, but not if I can get it 25% cheaper online. I'm leaning toward bidding from dealers with lots of positive feedback and a return policy. The worst case is probably an incorrect grade, but not an outright fake coin.
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