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So, when I first started out collecting, I came across a few large cents. At the time, I didnt think much about the spotting on them. But now, I've started taking a second look at them, and I believe I see dark staining (unattractive?) as well as corrosion. Help me understand to make sure I am identifying them both correctly please: So: 1) On the 1838 Large cent, it looks like on the obverse there are streaks of dark toning. I'm assuming these are okay - but neutral to negative for value since they arent particularly attractive. Examples are coming out of the chin and eyes 2) In between the are and T of liberty, and in some curls of hair, perhaps some corrosion? 3) Corrosion around the wreath on the reverse? 4) I'm thinking it'd grade out around EF45 details? 5) On the 1853, it looks like it's a red/brown large cent? With more wear, obviously. Does the toning make it look like it had an old cleaning? http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=directlinkhttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=directlink  --Image links corrected by Staff. Edited by nwc coin
01/05/2011 9:04 pm
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The 1853 has definitly been cleaned and the 1838 has spots of reverse corrosion and, IMO, has been recolored. Its not to say its not a nice coin. The Details grade is would be 50/53 IMO.
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Edited by vermontensium
01/05/2011 9:23 pm
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Both rather nice coins regardless of any cleaning. When you consider those are geting close to 200 years old, imagine what you'll look like after that period of time.
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Yeah - these are two coins that I want to upgrade in my 7070 -- I definitely knew they had some issues.
On the 1838, what key do you see that makes you think it's been recolored? Like I said - learning here, not questioning your thoughts on it..
And on the 1853-- is it the coloring around the ONE CENT on the reverse that gives away the cleaning?
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As carl put it, it is hard to imagine most of these coins lasting almost 200 years, and not having seen some issue. They are both nice BTW.
The recoloring is just my opinion but, If you look at the obverse, you will see spotty toning in a few areas that have a bluish tinge to it. It then has a darker , almost burnt orange look. Thats what I am looking at.
The other LC has that overall dull orange look, a sign of someone rubbing it. The fields are re-toning first.
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I know - I've been keeping my eye out for good early copper - and they are hard to find.. The good ones that are slabbed on heritage have quite a premium to them!
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I just put a slabbed one on the Bay, and it has 22 bids on it 3 days out.
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01/05/2011 11:01 pm
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Nice problem free, well struck AU and MS coins are very attractive but, as you pointed out, come with a price.
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As far as recoloring -- looking at this image, on the obverse, is the dark spot at the chin evidence of the coloring agent? Or do they sometimes tone in splotches like that? And on the reverse -- if there are dark black areas that are raised rather than depressed - is that evidence of the coloring agent that wasnt completely cleaned off -- in the creases where it was difficult? I guess I'm trying to ask if corrosion is always porous?  Edited by nwc coin
01/07/2011 2:41 pm
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And on this one.. I'm guessing the cleaned part would be where the copper is bright orange/pinkish. Is this an example of a coin that was cleaned but not recolored? The cleaner was just waiting for it to retone naturally?  |
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