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The CCF fact page on the Toven specimen is slightly out of date. Apparently, a few months after getting it back from ICG, the owner sent it to PCGS, who upgraded it to MS62. PCGS brag page. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Forum Dad
United States
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It says that in the text, but its not in the POP report.  |
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I'm just waiting on this guy to pop up at the end and say: PS--i have one!
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Just a few things about what I know...
1. The "story" about the security officer (not a police man) having one is true. Someone handed him one on their way out of the meeting where they were handed out. That is suspected to be the Toven specimen.
2. All coins minted were made at West Point with Philadelphia dies. If mint records indicate that 1.5 million were minted, fine...but the numbers I got were closer to 200,000.
3. All known specimens and images of specimens indicate that all of the minted coins were minted with large date 1974 dies. No small date examples are known.
4. The possibility of finding one in change today is pretty much zero. if any were circulated it was less than a dozen of them, and all those would now be spoken for - if it even happened, which I doubt.
5. Indications are that only six coins went unaccounted for in 1974. One of them is in a slab. That leaves five.
6. Absolutely NO proof that any other specimens exist based on verification. Many stories have surfaced, many claims have been made, but it all boils down to the fact that NONE have been verified.
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Z173408, if you email Chuck (coppercoins) via the link in his signature, I'm sure he would send you his list of credentials. He would be considered a Reliable Source for your thesis. You could probably quote the article at the page Brian1315 mentions as well, with Bobby131313's ok. (I'd be wondering who I could quote if I was doing this research, is why I mention it  ) Edited by xshift
01/02/2011 12:18 pm
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Valued Member
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id love to get 1 of those alumium coins
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United States
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My dad has a authentic 1974 Alum. penny, but we have been looking for it for 2 days and cannot find it.
He used to always bring it out with his other COOL coins when I was a kid, and say "hold this" I would always hold it along with my brother and sister and it felt like paper it was so light, we just so bumed because we can't find it but he has not moved so I has to be there somewhere.
As far as people that have owned them. I have found over 20 people online saying they owned them, so if there is that many online, there must be WAY more out there that people have not thought about, or cared about.
My dad got his late 1974 in Crown Point, IN at a bank that gave it to him in change, he was 16 and just started driving at the time. He at first thougth it was a really lean steel cent, but when he saw it was new I put it in his coin foilder and never got it out since. darn I wish we could find it
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sorry, this is hard to believe, its a classic story. my grandparent/father found it: in the trash/in change at McDonalds when the congressman had just left/while meeting the president: cant find it because its behind a false wall and I forgot where that wall was/it hasn't been taken out in years/we just moved and got mixed in with all the other junk: but I KNOW its legit because I trust my father or grandfather/i just know. so, tell me, how do you KNOW it's legit? |
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I have lots of 1974 aluminum cents....of course they are all darksiders....bummer  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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In that case... my brother's uncle's first cousin of a nephew had an illegitamate child that was born with an aluminum cent on his belly button... And that's assuming I have a brother |
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Nearly all of the near-miss stories and 'private holdings' of these elusive coins are plain garbage...but you never know when someone could actually be telling the truth.
However...it would be nearly impossible for one of these to surface in a bank ANYWHERE, much less a thousand miles from the ONLY point where they ever saw light outside the four walls of a mint.
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I believe xshift gives you the best information/advice which basically is that you as the author of the
research paper must shift through tons of BS information and figure out what are reliable sources.
The age of the computer is both a blessing and a huge encumbrance to quality research.
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Nearly all of the near-miss stories and 'private holdings' of these elusive coins are plain garbage...but you never know when someone could actually be telling the truth.
So this would indicate that the roll of 1974 Aluminum Cent Proofs I have are not real? Also, the 500 coin bag of them too is not real? Guess I'll just put them all into circulation then. Should be fun watching people at McDonalds with them. I did print out that article from the ICG press Release, 3 pages long, dated July 1, 2005 showing a photo of that coin in a ICG holder. It was graded as ICG-AU58. The lable read "Struck on Experimental, Aluminum Blank" "Weight - 93 Grams" "TOVEN SPECIMENT" Great coin story to go along with the 44 Copper Cent, 43D Copper Cent, 44 Steel Cent, 44-D Steel Cent, 58-D Wheat cent Reverse. |
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I often wonder if a lot of these stories might be true. There was a time that the mint was making substantial numbers of these and believed they would soon convert over 100% to aluminum. The dies for all the cents had already been modified (sm dt) for the upcoming switch. All it would take is for the workmen to get a little sloppy and struck coin could start getting mixed in or planchet could get sent to the wrong presses.
It's very unlikely all these stories are true and this especially concerns those involving complete rolls but it's possible dozens or more individual aluminum cents or tiny groups exist.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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