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What Is That For An Medal ? Coin ? Amulet Hebrã¤isch (Id: Kabbalistic Charm Showing Magic Square)

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 Posted 01/02/2011  1:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add taifoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, what is this for an coin ? How old ? Thanks

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 Posted 01/02/2011  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JMerrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's some sort of astrological medal/charm. The hebrew is a bit odd, and other design elements make is fairly certain it's not related to the Jewish faith.

I would say it was modern. And not a very good cast job.
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01/02/2011 2:26 pm
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 Posted 01/02/2011  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add taifoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, I have an information, it is from 1650 to 1750 aerea ?
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 Posted 01/03/2011  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting imagery on the coin, looks indeed like Hebrew. The design looks like it has something to do with Kabbalistic Magic of some sort.

"it is from 1650 to 1750 aerea ?"

I don't know if it is that old, and if it's real... because it indeed looks like a modern casted coin, but I'm looking forward to someone with knowledge about this coin due to the intriguing subject.
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 Posted 01/03/2011  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's called a Magic Square and the letters are numbers with both horizontal and vertical columns adding up to the same number. The designs on the sides and bottom are called Sigel's (sp) and are signs of an arch-angel, angel or demon. This is probably a protection charm in Kabbalistic Faith.
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 Posted 01/03/2011  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool, that is pretty interesting... Thanks echizento for the explenation.

It's not wether I believe this stuff to be true, but it is a fact that a lot of people with influence do believe it... and that they will act according to these beliefs which is intriguing to me.

Anyways I would still like to know if this could be a real one, or is it probably just a faked?

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 Posted 01/05/2011  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add taifoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hallo, es ist ein original. It is an original !
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 Posted 01/05/2011  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Angielczyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not know if it is genuine or not but the numbers in the magice square do not compute.

Here is a transliteration of the numbers on the first square

4 14 15 1
9 7 6 12
8 11 10 8
16 2 3 13

The second one is harder to read the letters (numbers)
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 Posted 01/05/2011  05:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JMerrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a fairly liberal hasidic Jew. Trust me, as someone who didn't see my mother's elbows until I was in my teens, or her ankles until I was in my 20's, that might be some interpretation of kabbalah belief in current vogue, but it doesn't date from even 30 years ago, or older, and would be considered a blasphemous object to most 'hardcore' orthodox Jews.

Until very recent times, the study of Kabbalah has been limited to hasidic male Jews, over the age of 40. Any depiction of nudity, male or female would be an extremely big "no no".

I'm actually a renegade... I wear short sleeve shirts, and hate black suits....
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 Posted 01/05/2011  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first square is for the planet Jupiter and is equal to the number 34 which appears to be correct in my reading of the numbers. The second square is for the planet Venus and is equal to the number 175. Their sigils are for the Archangles, angles and spirts associated to the planets. I agree that these are not very old and are probably associated to a group that studies magic and not related to the Jewish faith.
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 Posted 01/05/2011  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Angielczyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read the letter nearest the left as the Hebrew letter chet which stands for 8. Of in fact it is a heh which stands for 5 then the square would add to 34
the letter is not clear and could be either
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 Posted 01/05/2011  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, cool stuff!
Couple more things about Magic Squares that haven't been mentioned, first, each number appears only once. So, with 5 on the left in the 3rd row it is indeed a Magic Square. Second, the sum along the diagonals is also the Magic number.

The Magic sum/number in the bigger square is indeed 175. Here's an interesting exercise: how can one figure out the sum in each row/column in that square without translating the Hebrew letters into (Arabic) numbers? (Basically without knowing what the numbers are. Almost deserves a "Scooby snack" )
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Here's an interesting exercise: how can one figure out the sum in each row/column in that square without translating the Hebrew letters into (Arabic) numbers? (Basically without knowing what the numbers are.


I know!

Pick me!
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01/05/2011 5:03 pm
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 Posted 01/05/2011  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JMerrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After quite a bit of research, it's a Magic Square amulet invoking Jupiter. It is meant to bring wealth to the wearer. The astrological signs on it are both modern, and in a couple of instances, old. It certainly isn't Jewish, and I'll certainly stand by my original viewpoint that it's younger than I am, and probably significantly younger.
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 Posted 01/06/2011  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As JMerrick & echizento have said, this amulet is not of Jewish origin. As evidenced by the nudity, the non-Jewish symbols, including the non-Kosher bird on the front (birds of prey, like vultures or buzzards are not Kosher).

I'm a fairly conservative Chassidic Jew, and as JMerrick says, it would be considered a blasphemous object to most 'hardcore' Orthodox Jews.

Another bizarre thing is the number on the front of the amulet in the lower left hand corner.

In Hebrew, the letters symbolizing numbers after 10 are as follows: 11 is 10 plus 1, 12 is 10 plus 2, etc.

The only numbers that don't follow that rule are the numbers 15 and 16. Instead of 10 plus 5 or 10 plus 6, these numbers would be shown as follows: 15 would be shown as 9 plus 6; 16 would be shown as 9 plus 7.

The reason being that the letters for the numbers 10 and 5; and the letters for the numbers 10 and 6 are letters that are parts of the name of G-d (the Tetragramatton) and are not to be written together. wikipedia listing for Tetragramatton has a picture of an amulet that has these letters written together but it's unclear if this is "modern" or of Jewish origin.

An example of this would be the number on the front of the coin, top row, second from the right. It's the number 15, but is not shown as 10 plus 5, but instead as 9 plus 6.

The bizarre thing I mentioned above is the number on the front of the amulet in the lower left hand corner. It's the number 16. But instead of it following the above rule and showing as 9 plus 7, it's using the letters for 10 plus 6.

As I mentioned above, these letters are parts of the name of G-d and are not to be written together. Another give-away that this is not of Jewish origin.
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