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Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 01/08/2011 05:32 am copper 22 mm [red[Identified - moved to Tokens forum - Sap[/red] Report this Post to the Staff

nikola Valued Member Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska) 342 Posts	Posted 01/08/2011 06:26 am Here's what I learned. It is money out of necessity, apparently comes from Belgium and was used in Lille(France),mintage-320000 year-1827 Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 01/09/2011 4:28 pm nikola many thanks for your help. Report this Post to the Staff
Thomcollects Valued Member United States 240 Posts	Posted 01/17/2011 10:48 pm @Nikola- Where did you get the information? I have a similar piece. I need to did it out, but I think the head is a little different. Maybe from a different die. I have looked before with no luck. Thanks Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 01/18/2011 03:01 am Thomcollects please read this http://www.numismatique.com/forum/a...idSujet=9428 Report this Post to the Staff
Thomcollects Valued Member United States 240 Posts	Posted 01/18/2011 09:43 am Jsalgado, thank you and Babelfish! My French is "tres mal". Was there a small change shortage at the time in France like there was in the late 1790s - early 1800s in the Great Britain? I must research to see if they were an economic necessity. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16829 Posts	Posted 02/17/2011 07:10 am It may not have been "money of necessity", rather I think it may have been "money of opportunity". In the early 1800s, the Napoleonic Wars had put a mixmaster to European coinage; all kinds of new coins were turning up in change. I think this particular token was simply jumping on the bandwagon and hoping his funny little tokens would be accepted as some kind of new legitimate coinage. If there's a political message in it for anybody, it seems to me to be aimed at the Spanish. "Plus Ultra", meaning "more beyond", was (and is) the Spanish motto. "Non plus ultra" would mean "no more beyond" - the Spanish colonial empire had collapsed to only a fraction of it's former glory. A Belgian token scoring political points against the Spanish would have made sense in the 1500s, but by the 1800s the Spanish were long gone from the Low Countries. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
valutarick Valued Member Netherlands 376 Posts	Posted 02/17/2011 2:35 pm Lille or Rijssel, as it once was called in Dutch language, is nowadays an provincial town in northern France. During the reign of Charles X many French cities produced their own money and Lille issued this Maximus coin, wich had an intrinsic value of 1 liard (1 duit). Presumely struck 1827, as the Belgian VAN HENDE 1858 mentions in his Numismatique Lilloise, page 100/101. Report this Post to the Staff
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