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Help! Unusual Copper | Brazilian Countermarked 20 Reis

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Not a clue what this is or what it may be worth. My nephew found it on the ground. Anyone?

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LOL, that is a rather odd one to just find on the ground I am fairly certain it is a counterstamped Brazilian 20 Reis, the counterstamp was a redenomination from a higher value(40 Reis I believe). This coin should date to the early-mid 1800s.
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Right, this particular countermark is attributed to Ico, a city in the state of Ceara in NE Brazil.
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Nice job bio! This looks like the coin:

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1830

http://www.acoinshop.net/html/brazil__coins_.html

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How the heck did you know that is the bigger question? LOL
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That turret like structure would have given it away. That makes me suspect Brazil and initiate an attribution with that as the starter information.
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Did they use this design for more years than 1830? There's just not much info on the web that I could find.
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This design was used in the United Kingdom of Brazil (with the "turret like structure" being a royal crown) was used on different denominations from 1822 to 1833. The (original) copper denominations were 10, 20, 37.5, 40, 75, and 80 reis. The regional countermarks, different regions used different stamps, were done in 1835.
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Thanks svslav! So, since I can't read the date, this coin is from 1822 to 1833, right? What should I tell my nephew this coin is worth?
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First of all, I should retract my statement about attribution of this countermark to Ico .
It's a bit confusing in the Krause.
This is national cointermarking.
The 40 reis coin which seems to be the host in your case, KM# 363.1/2 (the decimal depends on the MM) was minted between 1823 and 1831 with the weight of 4 oitavos = 14.34 g. The host coin in VG listed @ $2.50 for most common years.
The counterstamped coin, KM# 436.1/2 is listed @ $2.50 in G.
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Thanks svalav! So this is a 40 reis and not an 80 reis. That would make more sense with 20 counterstamp. I think this coin is FR, there's very little left you can read.
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