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What are carbon spots on copper coins?

What causes carbon spots? Can they be treated or removed?

I have seen them on Australian proof pre decimal Pennies and Halfpennies. Logically, they are not carbon. My opinion is that they are perhaps copper sulphide, which would unfortunately be a form of localised corrosion.

Can anyone advance a more authoritative opinion than my own?
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"Carbon spots" are, as you surmise, not literally carbon. They're called that because of the colour; they're actually the usual sulfide-oxide mixture that cause shiny copper to tone dark. It can't be "fixed" by any means that wouldn't be considered "cleaning" in all the wrong senses of that word.

Carbon spots are usually caused by somebody talking, coughing, sneezing or otherwise expectorating in the general direction of their coins. The sulfur-based enzymes in saliva cause the reaction to proceed faster than ordinary water drops would.

There's no cure, but there is prevention. If you do accidentally get saliva on your coins by the aforementioned means, wash it off with distilled/deionized water straight away, before the spots appear.
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And the "major error" that seller is claiming isn't the carbon spots, it's the squeezed rim. This coin isn't an error, it's been extracted from a "lucky penny" ring.
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And the "major error" that seller is claiming isn't the carbon spots, it's the squeezed rim. This coin isn't an error, it's been extracted from a "lucky penny" ring.


My grandpa has an IHC with an extremely raised rim that was used for making a ring. I actually took it to a dealer in curiosity and asked about it.
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Thanks for the insight guys.This is definately the place to learn about this stuff
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This coin isn't an error, it's been extracted from a "lucky penny" ring.
An edge view would appear squashed. 4500:1 ROI if that thing sells.
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Exactly Sap, not an error. Man, these sellers are all over ebay.
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