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Valued Member
Philippines
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Those sizes fall into a correct category. There is an 8.8mm punch listed with a 6mm crown. That size combination is found ONLY in the YII stamps but is common there The specimen above is an example of a contemporary counterfeit YII counterstamped coin on an 8 reales Pillar dollar. All of its features edges, overlaps, silver content based on its wet weight and other indication of a genuine 8 reales are present on this specimen. Most collectors/numismatists here in the philippines were divided on this one. Some says it's genuine, others says fake. In fact, specimen of this kind was raised in our last year conversation with the maestro of philippine counterstamped coins (author of the book about CS) and indeed declared it to be an old counterfeit. Prices may vary depending on its completeness of the crown but not to exceed $300 as of todate. Quote:
However note that the counterstamp is being added after the coin is made so now we need a marker for the counterstamp itself jfransch: To give you some idea that may be used for your future reference is my document file taken from an old book, you will notice the specimen above falls under F-11 (sample of crown - uneven Y.II.)  |
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New Member
United Kingdom
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This coin was re-sold again to another lucky buyer
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New Member
 Philippines
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Thanks for all the info pandesalapi, swamperbob, jfransch and chops. I'm really learning a lot here. I returned the coin to the seller after knowing that its a fake. He gave me a full refund. Yes chops I was the one who bought the coin in ebay philippines for $300  Anyway I changed to collecting mini liquor bottles after the fake purchase thats why it took me a while to reply but know I'm again starting to take interest in collecting coins. I just bought a new digital weighing scale and a book by aldo basso. been reading it for a while now. Will be visiting a library next week to read another book about counterstamped coins by Oropilla Fortich. Thanks to you guys I understand now that collecting coins entails extensive reading and knowledge. My father (I'm only 23) has been collecting coins for a while now, I have concerns in some of his coins so I'll appreciate it greatly if you experts can again give your opinions  Hopefully I can post pictures of some of his coins in the coming days. Looking forward to learning again from you guys.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Beriner1 Twenty three - huh - I have socks that are older than that. But all kidding aside, it is great that you have learned your lesson about STUDYING BEFORE you buy. My favorite quote, which I have framed and hanging on my office wall is one that comes from Aaron R. Feldman a coin dealer in NYC from the 1950s. He said Quote:
BUY THE BOOK BEFORE THE COIN That has never been more true than right now. The price of silver is bringing out the old counterfeits in large numbers. What FUN!  But then again not many of us collect fakes. So if anyone is ever stuck with any of the COUNTERFEIT YII counterstamps and wants to sell them at least as a partial write off just write.
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Philippines
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BUY THE BOOK BEFORE THE COIN  100% and in case you may want to buy the book I can give you the contact number of no less than the author (Dr. Oropilla ) himself so that you can buy direct from him. It's really a treasure to own a book with the author's dedication on it. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pandesalapi I would appreciate the contact data for the book that lists known counterfeit countermarks. You are never too old to learn.
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Philippines
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Well said Swamperbob! Guess I had to learn it the hard way. Good thing I was able to return the coin. I'm still not earning that much to blow $300 on a fake coin. Hi Pandesalapi! Thanks a lot! It will be great if you could give me Dr. Oropilla's number. I'm sure it will be a grand experience to meet the author in the flesh! Thanks a lot experts for all the help! |
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Philippines
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E-mail of Dr. Q. is oropillaqf at yahoo dot com you may try to text him direct at 0917 341-0617 in case you may want to buy and visit at his residence at QC area. Meeting him in person is truly a remarkable experience to cherish  swamperbob; the book about known counterfeits for cs is yet to be released. Edited by staff - be careful with email addresses - spammers love them! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pandesalapi You had mentioned that Dr.Q wrote a book on about the counterstamp issues do you know how much the book costs?
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Philippines
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Edited by staff - be careful with email addresses - spammers love them! oops sorry... you may otherwise google dr.oropilla and you will be able to check the author and his book. swamperbob: It's around $100 plus shipping fee being posted through internet. Though at the time I acquired it, he gave me a discounted price plus of course his handwritten dedication to include the nice coffee treat It a big hardbound book, a lot bigger than the normal book that we see. 9"x 12" and 1" thick from cover to cover. It's all about how these counterstamps were made, its total mintages supported by the archival docs, receipts paid by the Spanish Gov't in the Philippines at the time, billings of the assayer, Spanish decree/order to produce said CS and many more. In other words, one of the best book I have read and still reading back and fourth, until to date... |
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United States
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United States
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I would never have guessed it was fake.
Really interesting read here.
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New Member
Philippines
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Thanks a lot Pandesalapi will try to contact the good doctor within the week. hope I get to meet him soon. |
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