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Can I get opinions of authenticity and value?
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With it being in an NGC slab, I would hope it is authentic.

However, the photos are not large enough to tell.
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what jbuck said is correct. however I will never own this one unless I find it roll searching
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weak reverse + planchet flaw kills the value. The strong reverse is worth more than twice as much as the weak rev. If you are just looking to fill an album hole, I would recommend getting a nice certified weak D with a strong reverse. It would cost quite a bit less than a no D but it would have much better detail and the D is almost invisible on true weak D coins.
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It's been a while since I was shopping for the 22 Plain, but if my memory serves me correctly there are four recognized die pairs, and die pair 1 is considered THE only true plain. It's also more commonly referred to as, "1922 Plain with Strong Reverse." Other variants are "22 Plain with Weak Reverse" or "22 Weak D" - all of which refer to the less valuable die pairs 2, 3, or 4. All three of the cheaper versions are actually considered weak D's.

Also, I'm pretty sure a true 22 Plain is actually multiples of the value of the lesser versions, especially in higher grades. XF examples of the 1922 Plain, Strong Reverse command over $2000 on the market.

Edit: And this is a dead horse that's worth beating. I fully agree with the others about the planchet flaw being a negative. If it's a non-detatched lamination that would be a plus for many common date coin. But for keys and semi-keys it's a big negative, I think the 22 Weak D can fairly be categorized as a semi-key. What's more, I believe "Planchet Flaw" means a detached lamination and that would be a negative on any coin.

If you can comfortably afford the 22 Weak D in the grade you want I would definitely hold out. But if not, and this coin's flaw puts it within reach then go for it.
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LOVE IT! I really like the no D weak reverse coins even though most people knock 'em. Too bad about the details holder. Nonetheless, it's a cool coin. Some bigger, better pictures would be nice. I'd say $100 would be a fair and conservative estimate.
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I agree with most statements that you should do a lot better with a weak D version. Not sure what the price is on this one but that statement of VG details and sort of noting that the greaded details does not mean value sort of scares me.
From what I see I'd say about $400 to $500 and no more. Possibly a bit more due to being in a slab which SHOULD mean it's real.
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I have been thinking of this all day .. and feel like jumping in. This is a hard coin to put a value on.
Most of the guides to not break down the different varieties.

I do agree with most of what been said, but I believe the four die pairs break down something like this.
The only strong reverse is on die #2, and it will always be a no D. This is the high dollar coin everyone
would like to have to fill the hole that most of us don't want in the album.

Die pairs 1,3,4 will always have a weak reverse. Because of the dies being so worn and polished(lapped) the weak D sometimes would become filled . So on these 3 die pairs you can have a weak or no/missing D.

There are other die markers that help identify if it is a Die 1,3 or 4. I recently purchase a new lap top and do not have all my coin pages book marked. If I remember right die pair #3 has a rotated die, which this one looks to have.

I also very much agree that the details and planchet error really hurts this coin. But if you got it at good price it would be a nice coin to fill that spot.

There is one of the magazines, maybe coin values that tries to list prices for the different varieties.
of course the weak D is least expensive then what I call missing D .. and then top dog No D strong reverse (die #2)

of course this is just my opinion .. hope I did not remember any of the info wrong

With out seeing a guide I would want to buy this coin between $50 to $100.00
If it did not have the Details and planchet error .. I would say more in the $150+
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Just_Carl, I would estimate quite a bit less than that based on recent auctions.

Auction 1147, Lot 7380 Sunday, December 5, 2010 8 NGC $402.50
Auction 1142, Lot 7235 Sunday, July 11, 2010 8 NGC $276.00
Auction 1142, Lot 7236 Sunday, July 11, 2010 8 ANACS $532.45
Auction 1136, Lot 7277 Sunday, January 10, 2010 8 NGC $277.15
Auction 1124, Lot 7298 Sunday, May 3, 2009 8 NGC $299.00

These are all problem free examples.
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GoldRush, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost certain the No D Strong Reverse is Die Pair 1.
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Had to do a search.. I am going by this link that shows the strong reverse and #2

http://lincolncentresource.com/1922...rieties.html

had to look up the site .. or I would have put it in at first

Edit ..seems like I learn something then it changes .. but here is a good statement from that link

"PCGS, NGC and some other grading services do not distinguish between the seven varieties above. PCGS and
NGC authenticate Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 as either "1922 weak D" or "1922 No D weak reverse". Die Pair #2 is
authenticated as "1922 No D strong reverse".

ANACS does things a little bit differently. Only Die Pair #2 is given a "No D" classification. Die Pairs #1, #3 and
#4 are all classified as "Weak D's" regardless of the strength of the mintmark.
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Thank you, Gold. I guess I was wrong as two... er.. nevermind.
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US Army ..
not trying to be negative .. I have just been looking for a good priced one of these for over a year
So .. for me... this is like .. keeping up on the info so I can be ready when I do find one.
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Yep, LCR has some great info. Here's mine:



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