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 Posted 03/07/2011  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Took mine with me when I went to sell some silver last week.Bullion dealer told me no way he give 20 bucks for it,silver value only.When he paid me he gave me 3 50cent pieces(nickle of course)and said- have fun spending these if you can.No problem with the 50cents,one gone at tim's,one at CT,the last at a convenience store.Scrutinizing looks but no resistance in accepting them.
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 Posted 03/07/2011  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@DBM,

wow really? Is he strictly a bullion dealer?

My local guy is both coin and bullion, so at least he recognizes the numismatic part of it.
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 Posted 03/07/2011  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Interesting point. The RCM says they will except these for exchange or refund at boutiques. Someone should go to the boutique in Vancouver or Laval, and exchange two of these $20 for a 1 oz. Maple Leaf (assuming they offer the bullion coins there, of course). The point of legal tender would certainly be hammered home to them.

This is probably going to end up being the 1976 coin fiasco all over again.



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 Posted 03/07/2011  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Bullion dealer told me no way he give 20 bucks for it,silver value only


As a bullion dealer, I would offer silver content ONLY as well. That would be a bonus....


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 Posted 03/07/2011  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Dealers can't be too pleased with these. And if they got a discount, then right there tells you all you need to know about the seriousness of the legal tender aspect. You can't sell people discounted money, they'd cycle it back again and again.





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 Posted 03/07/2011  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
vinny-he has a few coins for sale,cherry picks from his bullion buying,and a box of world coins that people left behind when they found they weren't silver,mostly he buys jewelery,bullion,coins,silverware and watches.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@dialog,

What exactly is the 1976 fiasco?
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They were silver coins minted to help fund the 1976 Montreal Olympics. Silver prices were depressed and the coins carried face values of 10 and 5 dollars respectively. So the face value was more than the metal value. Of course people wanted to spend or deposit them and no one would take them. I myself had a row with the bank over it. Let's just say I won that battle but certainly not the war.

Of interest; I stuck one of these new 20's into an envelope full of other stuff I want to sell and sent it off for grading along with the others. Hehehehehe. Yeah I know waste of money, just curious.

Edited for stupid face value mistake.
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Ugly, actually they were $10 and $5 dollars face value.

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 Posted 03/08/2011  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Koin Hunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Emanuel from the R.C.M. told me to day how surprised the mint was to see this coin selling on ebay for up to $60.00....before anyone even had them in hand....
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 Posted 03/08/2011  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you ask Emanuel about the Legal Tender problematic of this coin? I asked Pierre, but still no feedback on the RCM's position.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
> What exactly is the 1976 fiasco?

It has been recalled elsewhere in this thread.

The story goes that a US concern bought up a large number of the '76 coins below face value and then tried to cash them in at face value. The banks refused, and in the end the RCM agreed to take them back at face value for for credit on future RCM purchases. Basically the same terms they offer any dealer.

With this offering the mint has put out ads aimed at normal consumers saying "Exchange $20 for $20". That, to me, is a promise to normal people that this coin represents real legal tender. It invites another mass volume attempt for them to keep their word.

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 Posted 03/08/2011  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At C_C... oops yes my bad, I'm sitting here looking right at them (10's and 5's) on my desk and STILL typed that. I had a thread last year with 48 of each on my desk. I still have many more, they seem to accumulate on me somehow, guess I'm a sucker.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Ugly - no problem. Despite the low numismatic value of those '76 coins, I think they are pretty nice. I used to have the entire proofs and a few UNC.

Sold all of it when silver was stellar.

But see, silver today is up again! Our $20 has 9.22 in silver.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Sold it all back during Hunt-bro?

Inflation adjusted, silver hit something like $140 an ounce (gold something like $2200). So, if that ever got matched the $20s would have $35 in silver.

But, the shocker numbers are that a single pre-1967 CAD 10c would be worth $8.40, and a US 1964 and earlier 10c would be worth over $9.40. Buddy, can you spare a dime. :)



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