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I've been looking at the scans I have saved of my Morgans - particularly the reverse, and I notice that distance between the wing tips and the denticles is seldom the same.
On some, both wing tips touch the denticles; whereas, on others, one wing tip touches the denticles,and the other does not, and, still others show a noticible gap between both wing tips and the denticles.
What is the reason for this? Just the difference in the dies used?

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There are currently 4 separate reverse die varieties for the Morgan. With polishing and repairs made to those hundreds of VAMs. Van Allen and Mallis published "The Complete Catalogue and Encyclopedia of Morgan and Peace dollars". For a great read with tons of information, you can pick up a used 4th Edition for about 30 bucks. You might think it overwhelming at first as you realize how many VAMs are out there, but it'll open a whole new world to you.
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I think VAM world may be a bit imposing for his level, but it is a great site. Either way, you're going to have to learn about the hubs and different combinations. I think the book gives it to you at a slower pace and you can take with you to read in your spare time. Unless you have an I-pad of course.
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Morgan dollar Reverses
The Morgan dollar, known by its designer, George T. Morgan, was minted from 1878 to 1904, and then again in 1921. In that time four major reverse styles were adopted, and the table below illustrates differences between these styles. These reverses appear as types A, B, C and D in Van Allen and Mallis' Comprehensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan & Peace dollars, with substyles denoted numerically, and that is also the notation used here.
There are a number of major features that differ between the reverses. For instance, the first Morgan dollars minted in 1878 had an eagle on the reverse with 8 tail feathers, but before the year was out the style was changed to 7 tail feathers. Differences in the eagle's breast, the spacing of "In" (of "In God We Trust") with respect to the eagle's wing, the top arrow feather and the size of the stars differ between the reverses, as shown below.

Reverse A was the first reverse type, used on Philadelphia-minted 1878 coins only, and is most noted for an eagle with 8 tail feathers. Reverse B was used on some 1878-P, all San Francisco-minted 1878's, and the 1878 Carson City issue. It was also used on some 1879-S and 1880-CC issues. Reverse B has 7 tail feathers, a parallel top arrow feather and a flat eagle's breast. Reverse C was used on some 1878-P, 1879-S and 1880-CC issues, as well as all other coins from 1879 to 1904. Reverse C has 7 tail feathers, a slanted top arrow feather, and a rounded eagle's breast. The final reverse, D, was used only on issues of 1921. It returns once again to the style of a parallel top arrow feather and flat eagle's breast.


1878, 8 Tail Feathers
Reverse A
PCGS MS63 1878, Reverse of '78
Reverse B
PCGS MS64 1878, Reverse of '79
Reverse C
PCGS MS63 1921
Reverse D
NGC MS65
Number of Tail Feathers
Top Arrow Feather
Spacing of "In" of "In God We Trust"
Eagle's Beak
Star
Spacing of "A" of "AMERICA"
Eagle's Breast
It is worth noting that, in order to save time in production of dies, an A reverse hub was engraved with the B reverse, but some of the design of the A reverse still remained. This B/A reverse is known as the 7/8 tail feather variety with some of the 8 tail feathers visible of the A reverse underneath the 7 tail feathers of the B reverse. The number of tail feathers that are visible can differ - the images below show 4 and 7 tail feathers respectively.


References
Van Allen, Leroy C. and A. George Mallis. Comprehensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan & Peace dollars, 4th ed. Worldwide Ventures, Inc. 1991

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Okay guys - thanks.
I've joined VAMWORLD, and I now have an old copy of Mr. Van Allen's book, so I guess it's back to school for me. Again, thanks.

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