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1848-O Standing Liberty Half - Die Break?

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 Posted 09/19/2006  1:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
While organizing my Seated Liberty coins, I came across this oddity. It's an 1848-O SL half - looks like it's been rode hard, and put up wet, but there appears to be a break across the neck, with the area above the break just a little bit higher than the area below the break - had to look at it sideways under magnification to see the difference.
I've only got a couple dozen of these coins, so I'm not all that familiar with them. Is there someone on the forum with knowledge of this type coin that can explain more about this one? Are errors a more common occurrence in the early dates. Is this particular one an oddity, or common for the type?
I'll appreciate any and all comments on this one.

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The line across the neck doesn't look raised to me. It has the same dark toning as the protected areas around the head, leading me to believe that it is incuse, probably a scratch. Die breaks will not leave an incuse line. A die break or crack will only leave a raised line or lines on a coin. A true die break on the devices of a coin would be worn away by the time it is G-VG.
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Hi Ralph

I agreew ith Biokemist the line across the neck is a scratch Post mint damage, To answer your question about the frequency of breaks on older coins,,They are more common on the older coins than the more modern pieces based on the advances in alloy's and treatment of the metals which reduces the fatigue factor.

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Of course! Don't know what I was thinking - still in the early learning stages. A die break would have been raised, and this mark is, indeed, incuse - most likely man-made.
I guess what threw me off was the surface just above the mark is minutely higher than below the mark leading me to think it might have been a mint error - guess if the coin were held in hand, and, say, a knife were used to scratch this line across Liberty's neck, the metal on the upper edge of the cut would be displaced a little due to the pressure applied.
Thanks guys. I always learn a little something everytime I ask questions here on the forum.
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