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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here's a coin I found yesterday at a show. What caught my eye were two raised areas of metal extending from the last 8 (arrows). I considered it an 1858/8, except the detail on the left didn't line up with overlays of an 8. So I made an overly by tracing a 6 from an 1856 penny. While not conclusive, it more closely matches what I'm seeing on this coin. Now I need to find pics of the documented 1858/6.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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With your "collage" you made a strong case for the 18,588  The whole date seems to be reworked. I see stuff "behind" every single digit. |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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 And I agree--there are signs of repunching underneath all digits, with more spacing as you move right. Without the coin in hand, it's hard to tell what is dirt and what is metal--hence the arrows. It's more suggestive than conclusive. On many coins, when curved digits are partially polished away, they leave these "hooks" where the punch left deeper impressions. I know some of my overdate studies are a bit more obvious, but I try to find the most plausible explanation.  Edited by DVCollector
02/13/2011 11:06 pm
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Valued Member
United States
451 Posts |
You have a good eye for detail! Did you find this at the Kirkland show?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Thanks, and yes I found it at the show. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Last night, I studied pictures of several 1858/6 UK halfpennies and pennies. They all have that same arc on the left side of the 8, remnants of the 6. So I'm more confident now this is an overdate. Edited by DVCollector
04/07/2011 8:16 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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WOW I have a few of these to check out now.
It looks like a new RPD to me.
Wonder how many are out there
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow, that's awesome DVC!
I need to keep an eye out for these, too.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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OH-GREAT! Now ya got Scoob on another mission. STAY FOCUSED SCOOB! Looks like an overdate to me. Great find. WOLF
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for watchin out Wolf! But, DVC got me hooked on these a while back. I can't seem to find anything on an 187575.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks Wolf!  Scoob...it's a coin from the distant future. |
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Whoa! I think that there might be more to this than meets the eye.
I have four books, plus access to Numismaster. All have different entries for the 1858 penny and I have listed them below.
Coin Yearbook 2010
1858
1858/7 final 8 over 7
1858/3 final 8 over 3
British Copper Coins and their values (Seaby 1969-70)
1858
1858 smaller date
1858 8 of date over 3
1858 8 of date over 7
1858 without W.W.
The Standard Catalogue of English Milled Coinage in Silver, Copper and Bronze 1662-1972 (Cope and Rayner, distributed by Spink & Son)
1858
1858 smaller date
1858 8 of date over 7
1858 no W.W. on obverse
Coincraft's 1997 Standard Catalogue of English & UK Coins 1066 to Date
1858
1858 small date
1858 small date, latter 8 over 6
1858 latter 8 over 7
1858 no W.W. on obverse
Numismaster (KM)
1858/3
1858/6
1858/7
1858 Large date
1858 Large date without w
1858 Small date
1858 Small date without w
As you can see, the 1858/6 might be the same as 1858/3. Quite possibly, they are the "same coin" but with different interpretations from different sources. The possible overstruck dates (1853, 1856 and 1857) all appear to have been low-mintage years, so anything is possible.
The first question must be "Which combinations exist?" Is 1858/6 the same as 1856/3, etc.?
It's only by chance that I found this topic, as I refer mainly to the United Kingdom (G.B.) section, where I have a topic running on the merits (or otherwise) of various catalogues.
Bill.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Bill thanks for that information; that is very interesting! I can see how this might be an matter of interpretation, as I did it too. I should now see whether a 3 fits underneath the 8. (Looking around at the 1858/3, it doesn't resemble that overdate, and mine is definitely not a "small date" 1858/6Edited by DVCollector
07/03/2011 1:07 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Philippines
606 Posts |
Such a worthy find that deserves to be graded and slabbed.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Only referring indirectly to the coin in question, which has lasted in such good condition for over 150 years, do we yet know the long-term effects of slabbing? When did slabbing begin, and has anyone checked the condition (rather than just the appearance) of one of the first coins so dealt with?
Bill.
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