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Valued Member
United States
302 Posts |
I found this 1992P and not sure what category this error falls under. The top of the T and inside the top part of N. The lighting is making it hard to see the N part but it looks like the top of the T. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't see an error at all. I see a normal cent with a little lifting effect at the edges of the letters due possibly to a catch in the die during the ejection of the coin. Not everything a little different falls into the category of 'error' - that term is used way too loosely around here. Plus, anyway - if it were a doubled die reverse ( DDR) - it would be a die variety - not an error.
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Valued Member
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302 Posts |
The first picture wasnt very good with the letter N. I'm still learning as far as Double dies go. I'm firmiliar with all other errors but Double dies are the most complicated for me. Heres another picture with a little more detail of the N. By the way Coppercoins I enjoyed looking at your site it was very helpful. 
Edited by Cud Wild 02/17/2011 2:37 pm
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Valued Member
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302 Posts |
The reason I put another picture in so you understand why I thought so but I cant get the detail of the N very good. Thank you for the reply though. I believe you that its not an error thats why I put this coin on because I wasnt sure.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Okay, a few things..
1. What you are looking at is not a doubled die. I don't know exactly what it is that you see as different, but it looks pretty much just like tens of thousands of coins I've seen in the past - so it's really hard for me to figure out what you're seeing without a detailed explanation.
2. The term is 'doubled die' -- note the letter 'd' at the end of the first word. It's not 'double die'. Just sematics, but you came here for help, and I'm helping. Not using the 'd' at the end of the first word SCREAMS 'noob' - most rookies make this same mistake. If you really think of it, the term describes the design on the die as having been 'doubled' during the process of creating the die. So it just makes sense to call them 'doubled' - it's not 'two dies' (double), but one die with a 'doubled' design.
3. Doubled dies are not error coins - the are die varieties. These are two completely different things just as cars and motorcycles are both vehicles, but they are otherwise completely different. Die varieties and errors both describe coins with faults, but die varieties are a specifically catalogable subset of coins where the oddity occurred to the die before it was ever placed on the press to mint its first coin. If you made the die, then looked at it closely, you could see the doubling on the die before it ever made a single coin.
Errors are a huge hodge-podge of problems that occur usually during the striking of coins, and most of the time don't have anything to do with the design on the die. There are exceptions, but this is generally the case. All examples of off-center strikes, lamination peels, saddle strikes, wrong metal/planchet coins, incomplete planchet coins, etc. are examples of errors.
Anyhow, doubled dies, repunched dates, repunched mintmarks, over dates, and over mintmarks are all included in the category 'die varieties'.
You might think this is just a matter of sematics, but in reality there are a large number of collectors who collect one or the other (die varieties or errors) but not both. I, for instance, put about 95% of my collecting information energy into die varieties and could realistically give a hoot less about errors.
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Pillar of the Community
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Double dies are another incorrect term that we ALL use to begin with. It is not a double die, it is a doubled die.
Keep asking questions. It's the only way to learn. We all go through it.
We have the luxury of a lifetime of knowledge at our fingertips that the pros of many years had to do on their own, without access to information technology. Let's use their valuable time and knowledge to our advantage!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just a fun little anecdote... If you had a 1995 doubled die with a 10% curved clip you would have a die variety/error coin. Because the two things described are in completely different numismatic categories, both categories would be used when describing the coin. It's not "two errors on one coin" but a "die variety AND error on one coin". I guarantee you that if you had one of these and wanted to sell it on ebay for the best return possible, you'd be a fool not to use both terms in describing it. These are quite scarce.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I should go through with the idea I had at one time of writing a long essay of common questions and answers so I could just cut and paste the answers in these posts and edit to fit if necessary. I cannot begin to say the number of times I've described the exact same thing as above, and I tend to type it in fresh each and every time. Heck, this is the second time TODAY!
Am I lazy for wanting to do this, or am I just trying to be efficient?
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Valued Member
 United States
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You didnt need to be so harsh lol. I'm still learning as far as DIE VARIETIES go then. I put the coin on here to understand what it is now I do and thank you for that.
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm voting efficient Chuck. Cud Wild, I didn't think there was anything harsh in there. He's trying to help (unless you were referring to me). If you want harsh, go try the "other" forum. They are completely intolerant of inexperience over there.
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Valued Member
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It was a joke :). Was hoping I had something lol.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coop is one of the most efficient guys on here...he has a pic for everything and one picture is worth, well, you know, a thousand words 
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Valued Member
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I was glad he could help me out. He definitely has alot of pictures on his coppercoins site. It was very educational for me.
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