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What Does The Future Hold For Silver?

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 Posted 02/21/2011  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Never to late


Wish I had a dollar for every investor that made that statement...don't want to discourage you because you will help me make money...but the guy on the caboose of the gravy train ends up paying for the first on board.Always have and always will.
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 Posted 02/21/2011  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably much truth to your statement Maineman750, so would you agree every new silver investor is driving the price up, as there must be 100's if not 1000's of new people catching on every day? Supply an demand right, and limitations on mining as another wise member mentioned due to increased oil costs all would play into the price going up in my green opinion....

Either way I can't go back in change the past, can only try an make wise choices from here on out. I am not trying to get rich here, would just like to create a little financial security, in some un certain economic times and I like to collect unique things in the end as well, and coins/bars/bullion falls into that category....
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 Posted 02/22/2011  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really believe that there are enough fundamental supports to keep silver in the $30-$50 range for at least a couple of years. If anything,it is going up,not down.
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 Posted 02/22/2011  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silverhawk74, yes I believe all the hype is pushing it up...but perception is everything.hockingzig is a good example with his new post (no offense intended)...as long as people believe those statements, it will continue to rise...but one good breaking news article could change everything. I watched (and played) the housing boom from 92 till 05...then when I started warning people, they simply laughed or quoted fundamentals. All I'm saying is there is no sure thing and if there were,the person with that information wouldn't share it until after the fact.Again, gamble only what you can afford to lose, we have enough home foreclosures as it is.
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 Posted 02/22/2011  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are right Maineman everything is constantly changing in this world sometimes for the better, and probably more often than not, for the worst, and it appears from your past you have been in this for the long haul, and have seen the ups an downs of real estate and precious medals....

But some times in this world you gotta believe in something and stick with it, and if it does not work, move on to the next venture eh. I don't have the house tied up in it, and zero debt, so as long as I keep the bills payed each month, an watch my spending, I should be o.k.. If silver drops to two bucks an ounce tomorrow, oh well, I will stick it in the closet and start stockpiling mass amounts and wait until it climbs back up the ladder again....

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Maineman,no offense taken. I would say though that I have "bought"my gold and silver,I am not "buying"gold and silver. I am into PM's for protecting what wealth I have left,not expecting to make a profit,just protect purchasing power. I believe as long as prices for most goods are going up,PMs will continue up. Believe me,I will be the first one out when my gut tells me it is time. Almost did it a week ago but decided to ride it out. I hope I am right!
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 Posted 02/22/2011  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold and silver will continue to rise as long as the G20 and our economy is in limbo. However we do not want to keep paper in hand either. The buying and selling we do does not effect the market it is controlled by paper manipulators. What we need to remember is to have silver and gold in hand if the dollar is removed as the world currency. Don't sell because silver or gold is high unless you need immediate cash. The precious metal will always have a safer value than any paper money whether it goes up or down. My opinion only. LOL
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 Posted 02/23/2011  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hawk-

The problem with investing in silver (stocks, forex) is not buying it at the right price, but in having an exit strategy. This means a price you're willing to sell for, and an outlet. Are you gonna sell on craigslist, ebay, ccf, or to a dealer?

Before y2k, there was speculation that there might be a shortage of cash money if electronic bank vaults and check and credit card systems wouldn't work.

One article suggested buying slobbed Morgans as a recognizable coin, guaranteed genuine, which could be used as a medium of exchange in a cash society.

As I pointed out at the time, if you suspect there will be a shortage of cash money, you should put back cash money, not slobbed coins. Take a 62 Morgan to the supermarket and their answer will be "that's nice, a genuine dollar, your total is $58, have another $57?" If you want to get back the $30 you paid, you'll need to find a collector before you can buy groceries, and hope HE has cash.
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 Posted 02/23/2011  07:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All good points being made. My strategy was to buy until silver reached $17,when it reached $30, I sold enough to cover my initial investment so I can hang on forever if I feel the need.There was some luck involved but as I said before,getting in at the start is the most important thing.Using common sense is the other factor.I did absolutely nothing to prepare for y2k because it didn't make sense.Listening to my "gut" has paid off well for me.
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I am glad I have my silver, and will soon be adding bullets to the equation, but in the end I am left wanting what will one day be the ultimate investment:

Arable land, running water on-site.
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Here's some figures that might interest you - there's a gold-copper mine I have visited in New South Wales that are estimated to use more than 5-7 million liters of fuel. This is because they are used to power dump trucks, excavators, explosives and so forth. Can you imagine how much 10 cents or 1 dollar increase mean? It automatically increases the production cost quite dramatically. Try reading production figures from mines of what they use and produce. They will suprise you.


I'm far from being an expert, but with Gold and Silver being a commodoty, do production costs actually affect the cost of the of the metal? The cost is set by the market, not by the seller. The production costs are going to impact the profitability of the mines, but when they sell the metal, they are still going to be selling it for the spot price. The price will not be impacted until the supply of the metal is impacted (when the mine stops producing becauses it costs more to produce the commodity than it can be sold for).

Similar to the price of corn - the market price is not impacted by the costs of fertalizer or crop insurance. It is only impacted by increases or decreases in supply.

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 Posted 02/25/2011  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was cleaning out the pantry and found an old 8 place silver set that was given to us when we were married in 1956. We never used it much and I didn't like the taste of the polish going down with my food so we just been carrying it along with us as we moved. I forgot it was even there. With the ladles and gravy bowl, creamer and plate there is over 100 ounces of sterling. I thought it would be worth more as a set but the only buyers are those looking for the silver. MOMMA said put it back. She can't stand the thought of that going to the smelter. She won again. I put it back for another time.
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 Posted 02/26/2011  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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do production costs actually affect the cost of the of the metal? The cost is set by the market, not by the seller. The production costs are going to impact the profitability of the mines, but when they sell the metal, they are still going to be selling it for the spot price. The price will not be impacted until the supply of the metal is impacted (when the mine stops producing becauses it costs more to produce the commodity than it can be sold for).


Close, but no cigar. When production costs go up, miners are less willing to produce to sell at any given price. It's not an all-or-nothing, sell if we make money, stop if we don't deal. There are all sorts of fixed costs that have to be paid (interest on loans, for example) whether they're working the mine or not. Sometimes they'll take a small loss to produce, rather than take a bigger loss to stay idle.

Another factor is different areas have different purity of ore. As prices rise, they'll mine lower purity (or more expensive to get to) ore which is only profitable at higher prices, and leave the higher purity stuff for when the market is low.

Finally, a lot of gold and silver production won't change much, because it's a byproduct. If silver doubles in price, it doesn't justify digging up twice as much copper just to get the silver in it. If rising copper prices justify digging up twice as much copper, then they suddenly have twice as much silver from that mine, too, and if silver demand doesn't go up with the copper price, this could actually cause silver prices to go down.
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 Posted 02/26/2011  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason the buyers only want it for the silver is because they couldn't sell it as silverware when it was worth $1000 retail, so nobody is going to pay $3500+ for table service, just to have it sit around until some jerk steals it.
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Well put biggfredd. I think too many people have the big misconception that mines only produce just gold or just silver but rarely are they found as such. They are normally associated with copper and other precious metals are just added bonus. Some mines are going lower than 1g of gold per ton. Normally when prices are too low, they try to stockpile where possible and process it when it's profitable.
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