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There are many ways to calculate the value of a mine, cost of gold in it, etc. There's an ad I see on ccf, something about how to buy gold for $284 an oz. You can buy stock in a mine, and if you divide the total value of the stock and the amount of gold in the ground, it may figure out to that, but there's a lot of other expense getting it to where it can be sold as a gold bar.
Another calculation involves gold as a by-product. There are copper mines that make so much on the copper, even after mining expenses, that they get the gold and silver free.
Just remember the best definition of a gold mine: A hole in the ground with a liar on top.
Another little trick: Refiners pay for what you ask them to pay for. Dental gold, some white gold and other alloys contain other metal. If you pay for a gold assay, you get paid for your gold. If you clip off the white mountings, save them, non-yellow gold, and dental gold, and pay more for a four-metal assay (used to be $45 more), you also get paid for silver, platinum, and palladium (or maybe it was iridium). Even a tiny % can amount to hundreds of dollars the refinery would otherwise keep.
Another example is separating those Franklin Mint and other gold plated silver medals. A few hundred ounces of them can contain a half ounce of gold, for just a bit higher assay cost.
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You last paragraph there strikes me as interesting Biggfredd, as I have thought much lately about investing in some coins that are pure silver, and 24k gold plated, is this wise in your opinion? It seems like it would be, as if you said one could get a couple of hundred ounces of them, you would also have a half ounce of gold....
What is the average amount also of 24k plated on a typical 1 oz silver piece, I am guess just under a half of a gram?
If one did just and it would take me personally some time to do so, but you would have 200 oz of fine silver an a half oz of gold, an that ain't to bad IMO, killing a couple birds with one stone so to speak....
Edited by Silverhawk74 02/27/2011 8:51 pm
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With the world the way it is I really feel that Silver 'junk US coins" are the way to go. I feel that the Silver/Gold value ratio is way off and Silver is still undervalued to gold. I have some old US silver coins and did buy some back in November and even though silver has risen in price did buy some more this past week. My thoughts are that if the economy/world etc improves even though I paid high (for now at least ) I still have the silver value and all will be well even though I could lose on my investment. On the other hand if things go really bad how it appears to me, at least I have easily recognizable silver, not big denominations (like gold coins) and I will have 'money' to buy what is needed. I guess I wouldn't do this with money that I need in the short term, but money that I don't need now but want to keep safe. Actually I 'made' over 600 on the small additional silver investment I made in Nov. Just wondering if anyone else has similar feelings? Food/water also very important with the way things are going.
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Not too fast. It depends on how thick or thin the gold plating is. If you are talking about gold plating that's done before 1990s or so, it was a bit more generous. These days, it's below 0.5 microns or so. I'm not too sure how much you need to extract a mere gram but I'm sure it's a fair bit. Apparently one gram of gold can be beaten to a square meter or about 10 square feet. (pretty sure it's somewhere around there) You can plate a fair bit with that.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month.
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Keep in mind that we were a contract-level account with a refinery that we started with when it was tiny. When we started, he would buy gold from the public, averaging an ounce a day. By 1980, less than contract lots (5000 oz silver or 100 oz gold) just got dropped off and paid when they had time to process it. Not nearly as much fun as when I'd show up with a couple thousand dollars in gold at 10pm, and we'd eat pizza while he refined it and did the assay, but more profitable.
So the first step I'd recommend is to have an outlet for what you plan to buy. With gp silver, that means a refiner who will do a multi-metal assay and a quantity they'll work with you on. Buy just silver or just gold, and your possible outlets expand tremendously.
As for your other question, let's take 200 oz silver for .5 oz gold. That's 1/400 oz gold per ounce of silver, or less than .1 gram per oz round. Keep in mind, FM is top quality, and even they have most likely gone to lighter coatings to reduce costs.
Net suggestion, stick to 999, 925, 900, and 800 silver, don't pay extra for GP, and if you get extra when you sell, fine.
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I remember taking in a boxful of silver plate and getting $1.60 a pound. I asked him if he somehow stripped the silver, or what.
"When I get a carload, I send it to a copper refiner, and they pay for the copper base and the silver."
I was puzzled, because a carload didn't sound like much. He smiled and pointed out back.
A RAILROAD carload.
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That makes much sense Biggfredd, to not pay to much for the gold plating 1 oz silver coins, but of course the guys who sell, try an get a substantial bit more for a 1 oz due to the gold obviously. Hey, I love the look of gold, so just on appearance factor, and knowing that silver is there, seems good to me, the only way I would buy anything plated....
I also like 24k only, an steer away from the 14k to 22k, an I am sure many smart folk however with shops an etc., buy up the less pure stuff, melt it down, remove the other metals, and re pour as pure gold, is this a correct assumption?
I do like those 22k South African coins, the Krugerrands....
GX great info, I will only look for pre 1990 coins now, if I get any silver plated....
Edited by Silverhawk74 02/28/2011 01:00 am
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Quote: I also like 24k only, an steer away from the 14k to 22k, an I am sure many smart folk however with shops an etc., buy up the less pure stuff, melt it down, remove the other metals, and re pour as pure gold, is this a correct assumption? No. The equipment, chemicals, and skill needed to get from 10k to pure gold are way beyond even very large dealers. Refining is a business in itself, and not always profitable even for those who know what they're doing. Let's start with a simple problem. What do you do with the chemicals you contaminate in processing, the ones that try to go up the chimney, and the crap you remove from the gold? The 49ers didn't know mercury is a bad thing to dump in the stream, nor was the EPA watching them.
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July 4 - $42.17 October 1 - $47.19 December 31 - $54.25
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When we break the $50 level its going to the 60s fast IMHO. 
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I admit to gold plating a few things here and there. In fact, I have a standing buy order for damaged .999 gold rounds because I use them for anodes (instead of stainless steel) but that's a different story. Coins... normally when I see actual coins gold plated I wince.. yeah like many I think to myself- that's a bad case of PMD. There's been a few cases when I've done it though. A friend of mine who is a collector came over with his son. He had given him a 1967 Specimen set. The coins in the case had taken on some ugly toning so the boy had taken it on himself to use the salt/tinfoil/vinegar trick researched from the internet to remove the toning. If you've ever seen this, it looks awful, no lustre is left, the surfaces are mottled... UGH . Worse, they'll generally continue to just plain corrode and rot. Now normally I'd throw them in the melt bin for these common dates. The kid however was heartbroken that he'd damaged a set of coins his Dad had given him. So we tossed the silver into my polisher and then I treated and subsequently gold plated them. We both explained the set as it was is now destroyed and that what he had now was the difference between a fresh rose and a dried rose. While the fresh rose is red and beautiful and smells nice, by carefully drying and preserving it, you can still see a little of it's former beauty. Not nearly the same as it was, but preserved nonetheless. A unique lesson with a flashy reminder. Occasionally I've gold plated silver bullion bars and rounds when people have asked, but I never saw the point to it myself. I have four bricks of copper that I nickel and then gold plated. I actually use them as feet for a shoe bench. Salt on winter boots doesn't affect the gold plating. Stopped that whole rusting issue.
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Quote: Buy just silver or just gold, and your possible outlets expand tremendously. I agree completely. While gold plating can make things look pretty, it really gets in the way of purity. I would rather buy a standard ASE, for example, than a gold plated ASE, even of they were the same price, which is unlikely. That may just be my personal preference but I can't help thinking that a lot of others share this view.
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Quote: When we break the $50 level its going to the 60s fast IMHO. 50 was broken last month, sorry you missed it.
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For you homegroan chemists:
You can plate using gold coins or whatever as anodes.
The outer surface of gold plated coins would be gold.
What's to keep you from using gold plated quarters or GP silver rounds as the anode, and collecting the gold that way?
There's prolly not much gold on a GP quarter, so losing 25ยข to melt it isn't worthwhile, but if you could just remove the yella stuff...
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Quote: 50 was broken last month, sorry you missed it. Well I mean break it and hold it, that was what I'd call a false breakout. 
Edited by GoThunder 06/04/2011 4:50 pm
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