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Valued Member
Sweden
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Hi all! I've recently got a huge collection from my grandma, who told me that thes coins probably belonged to my grandpa's brother. I've been able to identify most of them, but some is still a mystery. I must confess that I don't know how big the pictures will be, so I apologize in advance if they are too big! I'll start with posting 2 of them just in case. COIN 1:   COIN 2 - Sweden, 1718? Overprint?   Thank you! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coin 1 is 6 tornesi of Naples with Ferdinand IV who was changing his numbers like gloves. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
The Sweden 1 öre is very interesting--definitely struck over another coin.
I couldn't make out the date, but is the "V" on the reverse for Ulrike?
On the reverse, I see two crossed cannons, which might help identify the original coin.
My catalog doesn't go this early, but I'm interested in researching this one further. I'll post what I find.
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Valued Member
Canada
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What you have here is a coin from Naples/Sicily a province of Italy.
Issued in 1801 made of copper with the AP mint mark.
The coin shows the bust of King Ferdinando the fourth who ruled this
region from 1799 to 1825.
Hope this helps..
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by DCH
02/20/2011 2:29 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
That Daler sure fits the details and what I see of the date--well done!  |
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Valued Member
Guatemala
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The first coin, the 6 Tornesi one, has a rather quirky, and good story behind it. Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article about the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies:
"In January 1799, Napoleon Bonaparte, in the name of the French Republic, captured Naples and declared the Parthenopaean Republic. King Ferdinand fled from Naples to Sicily until June of that year. In 1806, Bonaparte, by then Emperor, again dethroned King Ferdinand and appointed his brother, Joseph Bonaparte, as King of Naples. In the Edict of Bayonne of 1808, Napoleon removed Joseph to Spain and appointed his brother-in-law, Joachim Murat, as King of the Two Sicilies, though this meant control only of the mainland portion of the kingdom. Throughout this Napoleonic interruption, King Ferdinand remained in Sicily, with Palermo as his capital."
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Valued Member
 Sweden
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Wow, amazing! Thank alot for your help, all of you!
Due to your help about hte Swedish coin, I'd say this:
Sweden, 1 Ã-re, Fredrik I, 1724/1725. Does that sound plausible?
BTW, what is the right term for a coin that is "overprinted"?
'Cuz 'overprint' is just for banknotes, right? :)
Edited by Ngdawa
02/20/2011 4:57 pm
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Valued Member
United States
425 Posts |
I just wanna say that you guys are "Amazing"!! I could have kept that coin all my life and showed it to every coin dealer I came across and still not have known the whole story. Very well done!
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Valued Member
Sweden
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I just wanna say that you guys are "Amazing"! I could have kept that coin all my life and showed it to every coin dealer I came across and still not have known the whole story. Very well done!  |
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Valued Member
Sweden
347 Posts |
All right guys, like I said in my first post I didn't post all the coins at once. So now we are moving from Sweden and Italy, we are leaving Europe to land in Eastern Asia. More specifically; China and/or Korea. COIN 1:  Characters: 常平 (Chang Ping) [Name of the emperor?] and 寶e€š (Bao Tong) [What I've learned this means 'Common Currency'?]  Characters: 户大 (Hu Da) [Hu the Great?] and 百當 (Bai Dang) [100 Dang?] COIN 2:  Characters: 常平 (Chang Ping) [Name of the emperor?] and 寶e€š (Bao Tong) [What I've learned this means 'Common Currency'?]  Characters: 户土 (Hu Tu) and äº"當 (Wu Dang) [5 Dang?] I don't know if I mixed up the Obverse and Reverse sides, and I also don't know if the Chinse characters will work. Edited by Ngdawa
02/20/2011 5:22 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2605 Posts |
Yes, the notes are printed, the coins are struck.
So your coin is overstruck.
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Valued Member
Sweden
347 Posts |
Ah cool!
It felt wrong to say "overprint" but I just couldn't find another word :)
Cheers!
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Moderator
 Australia
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Your two Asian cash coins are from Korea. Chang Ping Tong Bao (or, in Korean, Sang P'yong T'ong Bo) was the standard obverse legend on Korean cash coins from 1633 to 1891. I'm told by Krause that "Sang P'yong" means "Always Even". There are literally thousands of different combinations of reverse markings, which give not just the mintmark but the name or number of the furnace at that mint responsible for making that coin, and the "series" for which that coin belongs. Give me a sec and I'll see if I can find a match for them in the Krauses. And it would be easier on the moderators who maintain the ID Required forum (i.e. me!  ) if you post separate threads for each coin, rather than posting them all in one huge thread. That way, they can be moved to the appropriate forums once they're identified. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Australia
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Here's my interpretation of the reverses of your Korean coins, as I understand them. In Korea the denomination of a cash coin was known as a "mun". The mark at the top of both coins is "Ho" (you've marked it as Chinese "Hu"); this is the mintmark for Hojo, the Treasury Department mint, by far the most common mintmark on Korean coins. The mark at the left on both coins is "Tang" (Chinese "Dang") and only appears on larger denomination coins; in this context it means "serving as" or "face value of", indicating that the number opposite it is indeed to be interpreted as a denomination and not as some other mintmark. If you'd told me the sizes of these coins, I'd have realised they were "large cash" and could have saved some time searching the 1700s Krause.  The top coin: The mark at the bottom is mark at the left is indeed the number "100". 100 mun coins were only issued from 1866. The mark at the bottom is "Listed in Krause as #143, noting that there are "over 40 varieties". See this zeno.ru page. The bottom coin: mark at the left is the denomination, "5". Mark at the bottom looks like a single character (you've marked it as Chinese "Tu") but is in fact the numbers 10 and 1, making this Series 11. KM# 137.11, attributed to date 1883. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
Sweden
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Sap, you're the best mate!  I realized seconds after I posted the new pictures that; Mayeb I shouldn't. Lol. I can't thank you enough for helping me woth this coins, and I'm sorry I didn't leave enouigh information to you to lead you at least in the right direction, to spare you some extra work  Thanks again mate!  |
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