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Chinese Coins Help For ID Needed | Mostly Mediaeval Cash

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 Posted 02/26/2011  2:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Adzi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Please help me to identify those 6 Chinese coins.
Tell me KM# numbers if possible
Thanks in advance

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 Posted 02/26/2011  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 Ren Zong 1022-63, Huang Song tong Bao
2 Different variety of #1
3 Shen Zong 1068-85, Yuan Feng tong bao
4 Shen Zong 1068-85, Xi Ning tong bao
5 Kai Yuan tong bao or Kae Won t'ong bo(Korean)
Several emperors/dynasties used this legend. Could be Tang dynasty(621-907), Emperor Li Yu(961-978), or my guess, Korea(998-1009).
6 Kiagnan province, 10 cash. CD1907, KM#10k.?
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 Posted 02/27/2011  05:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adzi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks DCH

The guy who send me those coins yesterday send me those information regarding five coins

Kai Yuan Tong Bao 713-741 Tang Dynasty 618-907 Cu
Huang Song Tong Bao 1039-1053 Northern Song Dynasty 960-1067 Cu
Huang Song Tong Bao 1039-1053 Northern Song Dynasty 960-1067 Cu
Xi Ning Yuan Bao 1068-1077 Northern Song Dynasty 960-1067 Cu
Yuan Feng Tong Bao 1078-1085 Northern Song Dynasty 960-1067, Seal script version Cu

Please check one more time and tell me if the material is Cu or somethimg different and KM# numbers if possibles.
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 Posted 02/27/2011  07:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the first five coins, we can't give you KM numbers, because these coins are far older than the periods covered in the Krause catalogues. Krause only covers from 1601 AD to present. The numbers you and DCH gave are AD dates, between 700 and 1100 AD.

I can give you numbers from the Jen catalogue, which also gives "Fisher's Ding" numbers, a far more widely used numbering system in English-speaking countries than Jen. The numbers for your coins are:

1 and 2: Huang Song tong bao 1039-54, title appearing on coins of emperor Ren Zong (1022-63), regular script. Coins 1 and 2 are basically identical, not being sufficiently "varied" to be given a different variety number. J# 223, FD# 904.

3: Yuan Feng tong bao 1078-85, second reign-name of Shen Zong (1068-85), seal script, J# 251, FD# 964

4: Xi Ning yuan bao 1068-77, first reign-name of Shen Zong (1068-85), regular script, J# 245, FD# 952

5: Kai Yuan tong bao, title appearing on coins for most of the Tang Dynasty. If your seller says "713-741" I assume they can spot the differences better than me. Jen doesn't differentiate them with separate numbers, though it has a chapter on how the experts do so. I don't know if FD differentiates them. J# 139.

As for metals, Chinese cash coins usually aren't pure copper. The composition is usually described as "brass" if the coins are yellowish, and "bronze" if the coins are reddish.
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 Posted 02/27/2011  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adzi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You very much :)

Best regards from Macedonia...
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 Posted 07/26/2011  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adzi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello again

I'm trying to update my coin collection database and I have noticed that for the chinese coins shown above I have not entered nominal values.

I know that the coins that I have are:

1 and 2: Huang Song tong bao 1039-54, J# 223, FD# 904.

3: Yuan Feng tong bao 1078-85, J# 251, FD# 964

4: Xi Ning yuan bao 1068-77, J# 245, FD# 952

5: Kai Yuan tong bao, J# 139.

I dont know anything about old chinese coins so my question is:

What should I enter for the nominal value of the coins.
(Not the price of the coins)

For example:

5: Kai Yuan tong bao, J# 139.

Is it 1 Kai Yoan tong bao or something else?

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Vladimir
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 Posted 07/26/2011  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you mean the "face value", as in, the amount of money the coin represented when it was first made, then all the coins 1 to 5 are "1 cash" or simply "cash". "Cash" is the English name for the denomination, and a similar name is used in most European languages, I believe. The most common Chinese name for the coins is "qian", also spelled "ch'ien".
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 Posted 07/27/2011  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adzi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is the answer that I needed.

Thanks.

Best regards

Vladimir
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