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 Posted 03/03/2011  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamshowoff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In an age where everyone knows the "value" or "list price" of everything sold many dealers try to get that fictional dollar. I sold antiques for 40 years probably doubling my money on most and still sold below retail or book value. Most of my sales went to other dealers who later made an additional profit for themselves.
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 Posted 03/03/2011  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Rick: Because you don't melt Morgans for silver value
I like this guy.

I am glad you decided to engage him in conversation and post it here, because that, as I see it, is a win!
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 Posted 03/03/2011  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would go back and just talk to him, the stories would be worth more than the Morgans to me. But I am one of those guys when I was a kid I would walk down the street to the old man sitting on the front porch in a rocking chair and just introduce myself and talk to him until my mom would call me in. I find all their life stories fascinating and only wish I had a coin dealer around me that I could visit and talk about the good ol days with even though I would be only listening mostly because I have only been collecting about 6-7 years and am only 41 years old but still love sitting and talking with the elderly because they seem to remember things that happened 70 years ago better than they do what happened yesterday and they remember it in every detail where you can just imagine it happening as they are telling you the story
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 Posted 03/03/2011  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure how all those 90 year olds remember every detail from their youth. I'm 42 and I can't remember anything that happened prior to my college years. Must have drank too much beer...
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 Posted 03/03/2011  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Maybe I'm reading it wrong,but it seems to me there is a double standard being set here. If the guy were offering $18 to buy a Morgan, he would be called a crook.But if we could buy it for that,no problem ?


I see all the time where collectors brag about deals that a dealer would be pilloried for buying. That's a big double standard, as far as I'm concerned.

There's a little different situation here, tho, for a couple reasons.

First, the seller chose the price. Most of the people have reckonized that it's essentially no different than cherrypicking a dealer for varieties he didn't know about, or the time I bought a 1921 peace for $4.50 at an auction because the auctioneer didn't mention the type as well as the date.

Second, even if the collector made the offer, there's a legal issue in play. When someone holds themself out as having knowledge in a field (a coin dealer who has had a store for years would certainly fit the bill), the law assumes that the expert owes it to the non-expert not to use his knowledge to take advantage of him. OTOH, the non-expert, if he ends up with a fantastic deal, is assumed to have just been lucky.

A coin dealer who buys acid-treated buffalos as vf has no one to blame but himself. This law clearly applies here.

The only thing the OP has done wrong is he should have bought every coin in the bucket before the next customer in the door did, then come here and ask if he owed the guy a steak dinner, and what cut.
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 Posted 03/03/2011  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Watch when you go and try to buy them all he doesn't look at the $18.00 each tag and say ... "You know .... silver has gone up and I haven't gotten around to raising that price. So if you want them, I am sorry they are $27.00 each now."

I would have no problem taking advantage of the price of these silver dollars at the $18.00 each price.
If I had to, I would make use of a line of credit to get as many as I could if I couldn't afford them all with savings. I would immediately go through the bucket and sort them.
I would then try to sell off as many as I could to pay off the expense of this purchase and keep the best condition commons that are free and clear for myself.

If the bucket holds just 450 Silver Dollars. You could probably end up with 150 for free.
This is a no brain-er for me.
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 Posted 03/03/2011  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I like the fact that many other customers will be able to buy and enjoy a few morgans without one or 2 people hoarding them all at a good price and then just flipping them or melting them.


If he dies next week, his kids will cheerfully sell them to whoever offers the most money.

About six months ago, I talked with an elderly Jewish man who went from concentration camp survivor to multi-millionaire. He sold one of his general stores and kept two others. He said he could sell the one 20 miles down the road, but "at my age, what's another million?"

I see where he died about a week ago at 89. Good luck, Freddy, you fought the good fight, and won!
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 Posted 03/03/2011  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris12018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the way this turn out.
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 Posted 03/03/2011  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The only thing the OP has done wrong is he should have bought every coin in the bucket


Not possible...read the OP's follow up...it turned out quite well
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 Posted 03/03/2011  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RealPeso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome experience!

I wish I could go buy 5 morgs for $18 apiece.
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 Posted 03/04/2011  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Rick: Because you don't melt Morgans for silver value

I cant agree more that would be like trashing a work of art......
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03/04/2011 12:15 am
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 Posted 03/04/2011  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i mean its not like hes offering them to you for face value, $1.. LOL.. dont feel so bad
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 Posted 03/04/2011  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Crazy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just bought the entirety of the bucket for $25 a piece.

Thanks for the tip.

Just kidding.
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 Posted 03/04/2011  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know the saying, "buy the coin, not the bucket." No wait, or was it, "buy the bucket, have good luck," uh, crap. I forgot how it goes.

@ tamshowoff: that's how businesses should work in general. Instead, everyone's hung up on getting retail price for everything.
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 Posted 03/04/2011  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamshowoff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Business ethics wins out again. There's hope for humanity.
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