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Philippines 1818 S 50 Centavos

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 Posted 03/03/2011  02:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Best site for info on philippines 1818 s 50 centavos? Ballpark value of this coin in XF/AU range?
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 Posted 03/05/2011  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chops to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
doesn't exist. Unless you mean the 1918 date?
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 Posted 03/05/2011  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nikola to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Decimal Coinage
An attempt to remedy the monetary confusion was made in 1848, with the introduction of the decimal system in 1857 under the second Isabelline monetary system.
Overseeing the conversion was Governor-General Fernándo Norzagaray y Escudero.
Conversion to the decimal system with the peso fuerte (Spanish for strong peso) as the unit of account solved the accounting problem, but did little to remedy the confusion of differing circulating coinage.
Renewed calls for the Philippine Islands to have a proper mint and monetary system finally came to fruition in September 1857, when Queen Isabel II authorized the creation of the Casa de Moneda de Manila and purchase of required machinery.
The mint was innaugurated on March 19, 1861.
Coin production at the Casa de Moneda de Manila began in 1861 with gold coins (0.875 fine) of three denominations: 4 pesos, 2 pesos, and 1 peso.
On March 5, 1862, Isabel II granted the mint permission to produce silver fractional coinage (0.900 fine) in denominations of 10, 20, and 50 centimos de peso.
Minting of these coins started in 1864, with designs similar to the Spanish Silver Escudo.
In 1861, gold coins were issued for 1, 2 and 5 pesos.
These were equal in gold content to the earlier Spanish coins of ½, 1 and 2 escudos. Silver coins were minted from 1864 in denominations of 10, 20 and 50 centimos de peso, with silver 1-peso coins issued in 1897. During the Revolutionary period, coins were issued in copper for 1 and 2 centavos and 2 centimos de peso.
So how chops says it does not exist.

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 Posted 03/05/2011  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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n attempt to remedy the monetary confusion was made in 1848, with the introduction of the decimal system in 1857 under the second Isabelline monetary system.

It is true that the minting of Philippine peso coins started in 1861 for gold ones then followed later in 1865 for silver ones in a 10, 20 and 50 centavos de peso denomination... the subject matter being mentioned is an 1818 s 50 centavos.
m9frank could have typographically mis-written it supposedly for a 1918-s USPI, after having mentioned and "S" after the date (means San Francisco mint). That's why chops is correct in saying - "doesn't exist. Unless you mean the 1918 date?"
You may also notice that it was only in 1828 that the Philippines had its first silver coin minted marking "Manila 1828" as its first silver coin assigned and made for its circulation. Years later it was only in 1897 that the word "Islas Filipinas" was first incribed on a Philippine Silver coin.
By the way if m9frank is asking for a 1918-s 50c - ballpark figure for an XF to AU would be around $40-$80 as of todate.
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 Posted 03/10/2011  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So sorry. Yes, 1918 S.
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 Posted 03/11/2011  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its wierd how Krause puts the value of XF at 8.50 and for Unc at $100. It's too steep a curve isn't it?
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No one has mentioned it but the coin was made in the US at the San Francisco mint. At this time, the Philippines was under US control so through the end of WWII the coins were US manufactured. These coins are of VERY low interest to most collectors. Most US collectors are uninterested and there are few Philippine natives who "love" these either. So there is rather low interest.

The prices listed in Krause are not really an anomaly - they point to the fact that the market place drives price. If there are more coins then collectors, the collectors go for high end stuff. The truly collectible coins carrying a real premium are the high MS grades. The circulated copies even VF or EF go begging.

Contrast that with a very popular US series. US Lincoln or Indian Head cents are a great example of high market prices in a popular series. Nearly 1/2 million copies of the 1909 SVDB were made but that is simply not enough to meet demand. There were 850,000 1877 cents - they sell for $100's in Good4.

There are so many surviving copies of the Philippines 50 Centavos available in EF that there is no real market for them. Coins are only worth money (over face or intrinsic value) if collectors want them. The rarest coin in the world would be of no value if no one wanted to buy it. That is why so many low mintage older issues are of minimal value.

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 Posted 03/12/2011  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There are so many surviving copies of the Philippines 50 Centavos available in EF that there is no real market for them

I agree with Bob, seldom do I encounter a person collecting 50centavos. Filipino numismatist here were all concentrating on the one peso series particularly the 1906-s USPI.
With regards to the 50 centavos series, I remember a friend who happened to find the only extant copy of the 1903-s Fifty centavos USPI. He was able to have it slabbed and auctioned it in L.A. The coin's value made it to 22k figure during early 90's. Sad to note he wasn't able to have it pictured for file purposes. I hope someone could post its picture
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 Posted 03/13/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes there are few collectors here doing the 50 centavo series, about as rare as the 1906 coin itself

Still, the price range of the 1918S is still way above bullion value so its still a very collectible item for those starting on the 50c series
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