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Did They Make Proof Coins Back In The 1800's

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is this a proof half crown?
or just a nice one?

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I have an uncirculated one of these. Relatively, not too much of an achievement. 1887 is by far the easiest date of the Victorian series to get in high condition.

'English Milled Coinage' by Cope and Rayner lists proof coins from the beginning of milled coinage in 1662.

Which brings be to a question in the same vein as this thread:

When was the World's first proof coin struck?

Hopefully, we will get lots of views, opinions and facts. I certainly stand to learn more!
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The first proof coins from South Africa was in 1892(ZAR Coinage), just about 20 to 50 of each denomination.

But I think proof coins must have been struck from the earliest times when coins were made.
Maybe the Lydian Lion.
After all what is exactly the definition of a "Proof" coin.

Guys like SAP will surely give the answer.
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As far as British proofs, defined as specially struck on a prepared planchet, 17th C. is true enough. There are several pieces, such as farthing & halfpenny patterns that were struck then. This is my Charles II Halfpenny Pattern proof from c. 1660-62, one of the earliest of what I consider to be common enough to collect.

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To answer the OP's question: yes, they did make a proof set in 1887, but no, I don't think yours is one. Ordinary circulation British coins from the late 1800s are extremely sharp and detailed; in high grades they look exceptionally nice.

As for the more general question: I would define a "proof" as "a coin made especially for collectors or as presentation pieces, often resembling ordinary circulating coins but struck from specially prepared dies on a specially prepared planchet". The trouble is, by this definition the coins in the "mint sets" from most countries would also be classifiable as "proofs". Most of the distinctive features of modern proof coins (highly polished dies, a clear "cameo effect", being struck twice) were not employed on the earliest "proofs", which in the English series date right back to the introduction of machine-struck coinage, with silver coins from the Cromwell Protectorate struck as proofs in gold.

In certain coinage series, the typical quality of normal circulation coins is very poor. In these series, "presentation pieces" which bear many characteristics of "proofiness" are easy to spot. The "Royal Coinage" of the Spanish-colonial mints and the "Nazarana rupees" of mediaeval India are two that come to mind.

Since, by my definition of "proof", you need them to be struck for collectors or as presentation pieces, it's virtually impossible to consider proof coins existing before coin collecting became popular. While we have isolated instances of coin collecting in the ancient historical records in the West, this didn't really happen until Petrarch wrote about it at the beginning of the Renaissance (1304-74). In the East, particularly in China, coin collecting goes back further and one could readily acknowledge the extremely scarce silver and gold cash coins of the Tang Dynasty (circa 650-900 AD) as being "the world's first proof coins", since they clearly were not intended to be functional parts of the economy.

If there were coin collectors earlier than that, we have no record of it. And if proof coins were specially made for them (or for presentation purposes) way back then, we can't tell the difference between them and ordinary coins now. The only possible exceptions are the "contorniates" and other large "medallions" in ancient times, but though they were most likely made as presentation pieces, functionally they were more akin to medals than to proof coins.
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