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Rest in Peace
United States
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An improperly annealed planchet happens after the blank is punched out. I think the proper sequence is to punch the blanks out of the coil stock, run the blanks through the upset mill to create planchets, anneal the planchets and then tumble the planchets to clean them. The annealing process is needed because the processes of punching and upsetting will cause the planchets to harden slightly (the copper plated zinc planchets are the only exception and do not get annealed). In manufacturing we call this work hardening. The planchets are annealed by heating them up and slowly cooling which will put them back into their softer state (annealed state). It has been theorized that the black surface occurs during the annealing process. But there are other theories. Hopefully Mike Diamond or someone more familiar with the "Black Beauties" will chime in and clarify this.
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One thing I wanted to clear up to save the confusing. When I said this coin is identical to the black beauty. I wasnt really saying it is the black beauty its just identical in colors and all. So like I said I wont get my hopes up until I get it graded and they label it black beauty. Then I can say I have a black beauty coin. But right now I just have a black coin thats a possible black beauty coin. But in the mean time I will get better pictures of the coin so everyone can see the colors.
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Valued Member
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Thank you for the info pyrbob.
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Valued Member
United States
302 Posts |
Heres a better picture of the color of the coin.  |
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Rest in Peace
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certainly has potential to qualify.
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Rest in Peace
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It does appear like there is luster on the coin so it is a possibility. But is this really worth the cost of getting it slabbed? These are rather common which is why they were given a name and marketed. Just something to think about. I would think if you were only interested in finding out if it were really a black beauty then you should just contact Mike Diamond at CONECA. It would be a lot cheaper to send it to them.
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Valued Member
United States
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Thank you for the idea pyrbob. Would they label the coin like ANACS does? I'm not firmiliar with how CONECA works.
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Rest in Peace
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Go to conecaonline.org then on the left side go to attribution services. Next go down to error examinations. Then click on list of examiners. Email one of them with your questions and they can help you. By the way, the cost per coin for non members is $5.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I remember being offered some black beauties back in 1971, but these were NOT coins...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
958 Posts |
the BB nickles are a result of high silica content in the planchets, while heated/annealed they form a bluish/gunmetal color , then get minted.
You can get a gunmetal solution and plate one gunmetal color. If you expose a nickle to a high heat but not direct it can cuase a blueing effect as well.
The only way to know if this was done after it was minted is to have it looked at under a microscope and examined first hand by a grading company that deals with this error.
Pictues alone prob wont be able to tell it all
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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btw I dont think its a BB, I thinks a nickel exposed to elements after minting.Just my opinion from see the pics compared to a ms-65 bb nickle
Someone posted a MS-65 BB nickle on here one before, they are dark dark blue/blackish and very neat looking
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United States
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I do agree with you coppertop. The only way to know for sure is if I send it to maybe CONECA. The coin has a light purple tint to it. From the way you described the Black Beauty gave me a better understanding of the coin.
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Heres some better pictures. The only reason I put these pictures on incase by some wild chance they are Black Beauty. I want people to see a good photo of the coin. Once this coin is slabbed I'm not taking it out of the package. I will send the coin to CONECA to get verified if it is or not the Black Beauty. If it isn't I still like the coin regardless. Same reason I like rainbow tones on lower mintage nickels. I dont really keep the rainbow tones on higher mintage because I feel they are worthless then even though they even have some value. When I say value I dont mean a premium just a slight higher than face value. The lower mintages they actual have more value despite the fact they are artificial toning. If a coin can get natural rainbow toning can someone explain to me if so.   |
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