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New Member
United States
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I just opened up a 2003 and 2004 silver proof sets, and to my surprise the dimes and halves in both sets are clad proofs not silver! Now I have opened a few 2003 and 2004 but these two were the first that did not contain silver halves or dimes. So I am trying to comprehend if the US Mint was involved in coin fraud? When the first 2003 silver proof sets were released they supposedly (or so the mint said ) had the wrong COA in them as they listed the dime and half as clads. Hmmmm maybe the COA was not wrong maybe they figured someone was going to find out so they just sent out new COA's? Why the 2004 silver set held clads too I dunno? Has anyone else out there found clads where silver should have been?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Did you buy them directly from the mint? If not, you may have been scammed. Someone might have replaced them and resold them. If you just recently bought them from someone, I would try to get my money back. I really don't think these types would have been able to be switched while the mint packaged them.
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New Member
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Seems they would have to go through alot of trouble ,opening sets ,removing the halves and dimes ,inserting clad proofs , and resealing the sets. Since the sets need to be broken to release the coins why would you not remove the quarters also and replace them with clads? Scam ,no too much work involved for what profit? The US MINT has played the public for fools and the only way we can prove it is to bust open sets!
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Did you buy them directly from the mint? How about answering this question? I mean really, which do you think is more likely.... Someone popping open sets and replacing coins (which isn't as hard as you seem to think), or a multi-million dollar fraud scheme perpetrated by the US Mint? Step away from the keyboard and think about it for a minute.  Edited by scubu
03/19/2011 4:07 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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"Seems they would have to go through alot of trouble ,opening sets ,removing the halves and dimes ,inserting clad proofs , and resealing the sets. Since the sets need to be broken to release the coins why would you not remove the quarters also and replace them with clads? Scam ,no too much work involved for what profit? The US MINT has played the public for fools and the only way we can prove it is to bust open sets!"
The sets are really easy to open without damaging the plastic. I do it every year to fill my albums. I reuse the mint holders and inserts to make my own special random sets, and store coins I don't have albums for yet. You can't even tell the plastic has been opened and reseated. Considering the price of silver (approx 25 x face for 90%)I wouldn't put it past anyone to pull this type of switcheroo.
Kie
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree, the U.S. Mint is a tad greedy, but they aren't that bad... Definately someone pullin' the wool over your eyes  prljr |
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New Member
United States
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No , I did not buy them from the mint. Now Defenders of the MINTs why would some one go through the truoble of opening sets ( I have opened quite a few and you have to break the plastic on most to get in them, although the 2k silver proofs sets are very easy to pop open ) Remove the half and the dime ,replace them with clad proofs and leave the silver quarters? Great scam!! duh !! There is no incentive $$$ to replace the silver halve and dime with clad proofs and make money off of it,especially if your reselling the sets. This was a mint error or done intentionaly because of some dumb A at the mint. Why? because if 1.2+ million sets were produced and a 50k-100k happen to have clads in them instead of silver it will be years until someone actually notices and if they do who are they going to complain to?
Oh, the government has Never,does not ever lie or deceive the american people in any way shape or form. Silver/clad they won't no the difference sealed in this set?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well, it just simply comes down to a manufacturing process....and that's really it...nothing more and nothing less with the Mint. It would not be some wild crazy Government conspiracy, because these Sets are not put together by Senators or the Presidents Cabinet, or Govt. officials, or Republicans, or Democrats...... they put together by Mint employees who simply have a Govt. assembly-line manufacturing job....no different than me or you, or those who work at a Post Office, or a steel plant, Toyota assembly line......whatever..... they just go to work "there" everyday.This is impossible to be some higher up 'directive' to these folks who work at the Mint, to do a mass scam upon the public like that. Yeah.....just probably not.... And so then, the "other choice"......yeah....for whatever reason, if indeed these clad coins were in these Silver Proof Sets, it was done POST MINT process, without a doubt. I have also "cracked" MANY MANY MANY MANY Sets from about 1960 to 2010. I've found that the older ones are the most difficult to crack and keep the O.G.P. intact. The "modern era" of both Proof and Silver Proof Sets are relatively easy to crack and have the O.G.P. be undamaged. Why some idget left the Silver Qtrs...  ....well that's just the ebay World, IMO. You literally have ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE "out there"....  |
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Valued Member
United States
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here's an idea... a fraudster could take advantage of the COA issue and swap out just those two coins- then when caught could point to that as a "possible" reason as to what happened. Plausible deniability, right there.
Just because a person is a fraud doesn't mean they have to go whole hog about it.
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New Member
United States
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, Alls well at the mint because they never ERROR,(Hmmmm wonder where all the error coins come from? Must be another well oiled government mint)like the majority of you believe. The COA idea was great too except I received the updated one with the set not the misprinted one. So my question was has anyone opening sets come across what I have? If not you could have ignored the post and I would have forgotten about it until it happened again if ever. But instead I got a bunch of expert comments on why it could never happen. Good luck in your collecting. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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prljr as other have said it is post mint done. Too many ppl oreder proof sets and crack them out to get them graded, put them into folders or albums. If the mint has tried to pull this type of scam, it would have been found out within weeks of there release. Someone bought a proof set, took out the coins they wanted for their collection. Evidently they don't collect State Quarter. Put in replacement coins and resold the set. |
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Rest in Peace
 United States
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When I was updating my dad's proof set collection after he passed on, I bought about two dozen different sets on ebay. When I started to open sets (very easy to do) to put some in albums I discovered that all of the silver sets I had purchased from one particular seller had all or some of the silver replaced with clad. All sets from other sellers were fine. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you had bought these directly from the mint, you might have an argument. However, you would have lost the "proof" because you have now cracked them.
The idea that there is some kind of conspiracy at the mint is just absurd. Why can't you just accept the fact that you've been had?
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New Member
United States
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I received a Mary Todd Lincoln 2010 Proof from the mint and wouldn't you know when I opened it...it was just a chocolate coin with a golden foil wrapper...the US Mint really pulled a good one on me..
I didn't see where you said you got them from anyway...?
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Valued Member
United States
277 Posts |
Alot of people look to make a quick buck, and be honest here. How many times have you bought something in quantities more than one and only checked to see if one is real and just assume the rest are too. This person probably figured you or whoever would buy them would check the State Quarters first (since they seem to be the most collectible) see they are real and than just move on. |
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