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Two Mysterious Coins

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 Posted 03/22/2011  11:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mysilveryears to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
These two came along in the ebay lot with the 1799 dollar I just bought.
Please help identify.

The first is likely an Irish halfpenny token of some sort, but I can find no listings or descriptions of one with the Wellington bust


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size = ~29 mm.

This second leaves me with no clue as to where/how to begin searching.
It's dirty as if it had been buried for a long while (not loose dirt but encrusted), and the material is evidently brass.
Size = 30 mm. Thanks for any help you can provide.

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As I've been wrong so often lately I'm hesitant to offer an opinion, but the first coin looks to be a token. Wellington was Irish born and featured on some Irish tokens. Its also thought that a bust similar to the one shown whish can be seen on some Columbia farthings is also Wellington.
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The second coin it's
Septimius Severus AE Sestertius. 194 AD. L SEPT SEV PERT AVG IMP III, laureate head right / MONET AVG COS II P P, the Three Monetae standing left, each holding scales and cornucopiae, SC in ex. Cohen 336.
But looks fake for me
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First is a 1805 Hibernia Field Marshall Wellington Halfpenny Token
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The "1805" date in the Hibernia token is fictitious, intended to get around anti-token laws by pretending to have been issued before the laws were enacted. In 1805, the fellow depicted on the obverse was known simply as General Arthhur Wellesley; he was not promoted to Field Marshal until 1813 and did not become the Duke of Wellington until 1814.

I understand that the vast bulk of these latter-day Hibernia tokens were shipped to Canada in the 1820s and 1830s.

And I agree with t0rress that the ancient Roman sestertius is a replica. It has the distinctive bubbly surface and mushy details of a cast "tourist copy". Compare it with the genuine examples here and here.
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Very interesting information! Thanks so much!

I suspected the old crusty 'coin' might have been a fake.
It's helpful to see the evidence.
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