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Rest in Peace
United States
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I see lots of sale offers on ccf where seller says they'll accept PP, as long as it's "gift", "money owed", or similar, so they don't pay the fees. I'm not familiar with this option.
Can someone provide a cite url on how that works?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
737 Posts |
It's away around the fee's. Instead of "purchasing" or "paying" for an item, you're essentially just sending them or gifting them the money. So far Paypal doesn't charge for this service. I use it with vendors or people I trust as you don't benefit from Paypal buyer protection when you use this option. There's a bit of info on this page: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...8bdbee0ede69And it's discussed a little more here: https://goccf.com/t/58550Oh and it's only free if the money is funded from your bank account. Cheers! Ryan |
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Forum Dad
 United States
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or your Paypal account. It will be just like everything else we've seen over the years though Fred, people abuse it, and it will go away. Member the god ole days of double the feedback characters on ebay Singapore?  |
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Rest in Peace
 United States
9104 Posts |
Heck, I remember when Payenemy paid ten bucks for each new person you got to sign up, and didn't charge for transfers, no matter where the money came from. They promised the service would be "always free".
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes all one needs is ones email address to send via gift, and like mentioned above if you trust the seller, loop hole of sorts. I bought an item out of Asia a few months back, and the seller marked package 200 for item and 200 shipping an sent as gift, to avoid extra custom fees.... I personally not gonna take a chance forging documents, but I would think the governments, ebay, and paypal all know what is going on, and turn a blind eye to it, as it is economic stimulation every time I buy or sell an item on ebay. The post office, UPS, Fed ex, Paypal, and ebay or what ever auction site you use gets there cut, and those transactions add up when you look at it on a big scale.... Sorry I was jumping tracks a bit, but here is another scheme I have noticed. Seller starts bid on silver rounds at 99 cents, and marks the shipping at 30 bucks, so it just gets bid up to 5 maybe 10 bucks. Seller even warns to not bid if the shipping is an issue. Wonder why ebay lets that slide, as he pays ebay much less on say an item that ends at 5 bucks, instead of the normal say 35 bucks with five more for shipping. Anybody else seen this, and is it just another legal loop hole of sorts? |
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Valued Member
United States
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its simple paypal sent as gift advoids the 4% fee only down fall is your shipping address is blocked, but all you do is just send the seller you mailing address and its as simple as 1 2 3 lol
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:...Seller starts bid on silver rounds at 99 cents, and marks the shipping at 30 bucks, so it just gets bid up to 5 maybe 10 bucks. Seller even warns to not bid if the shipping is an issue. Wonder why ebay lets that slide, as he pays ebay much less on say an item that ends at 5 bucks, instead of the normal say 35 bucks with five more for shipping. Anybody else seen this, and is it just another legal loop hole of sorts? ebay's new fee schedule will now include shipping charges in the seller's fee calculation. This type of fee avoidance was reprimanded when caught but clearly you can't catch them all and the new fee schedule will, much to the chagrin of honest seller's who charged legitimate S&H. The 3% PayPal fee is also "insurance" for the buyer if the seller fails to deliver. PayPal's no fee transfers are great to consumer to consumer transactions where both parties know and trust each other. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote:Seller starts bid on silver rounds at 99 cents, and marks the shipping at 30 bucks, so it just gets bid up to 5 maybe 10 bucks. Seller even warns to not bid if the shipping is an issue. Wonder why ebay lets that slide, They didn't. fvf is now calculated on total including shipping. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yeah BiggFredd an 1964, that guy must have been taking advantage of that before the rule changed....
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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... I bought an item out of Asia a few months back, and the seller marked package 200 for item and 200 shipping an sent as gift, to avoid extra custom fees...
Silverhawk74 The gift exemption to Canada is 25 bucks. The CBSA could have applied applicable tax/tariff/duty to any amount above that. Your package was simply not selected for inspection. If you do a lot of importation, you should be aware of your provincial governances on such an issue. When I hear someone complaining, and that they want to stomp on into the post office and demand some sort of, uhm, relief from what they feel to be excessive duty charges, I wanna pull my hair out... or theirs. As the importer, it is your legal responsibility to be aware of the status/classification of your item, and it's nice to be aware of the Tariff Schedule of applicable charges on imports. Of course, if you are not, The CBSA will do their best... typically in their favour. VVV Check link for more... much more. ***And the schedules change frequently enough. https://goccf.com/t/59754>>> edit >>> and VVV http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...ng,to,canada***>>> edit 2 >>> VVV Quote:
>>Here's something I posted elsewhere awhile back VVV.
It also depends on what province you live in.
In Ontario Canada, I use to have to pay GST(5%) and PST(8%) (goods&services and provincial taxes) on less than pure bullion when imported into Canada. Pure bullion being .999 fine was exempt from PST but subject to GST.
If I purchased from a registered business within Ontario pure bullion would be subject to PST and exempt from GST... the opposite of an international purchase.
So, if I purchased from anywhere else in Canada, or from a private sale in Ontario, there would be no taxes applied.
But now (go figure), Ontario has HST(Harmonized sales tax or PST & GST combined), so I lost any exemption internationally or from Ontario. But, I can still purchase within Canada from anywhere but Ontario, or privately within Ontario, and not hafta pay any taxes.
IBGolden Sorry all for hijacking!  Edited by IBGolden
03/28/2011 9:32 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hey thanks IBgolden, that is good to know. When you break a law like that, claiming ignorance is not much of an argument eh, lol....
I rarely buy anything out of country, rare case. But will definitely keep that in mind in future....
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The gift exemption to Canada is 25 bucks. The CBSA could have applied applicable tax/tariff/duty to any amount above that. Your package was simply not selected for inspection. Canada customs is especially sticky, because they want to collect their 17% or so sales/value added tax. Canadian buyers often ask sellers to mark the item as a gift or write down a lower value, which you should never do, for a couple reasons. Let's take a $1000 list metal detector which we sell for $850, and declare at that amount. Customer wants its value listed at $100, and let's say the seller agrees. Scenario 1) Customs looks at $100 declaration, says "no way this sells for $100 new", looks up the full retail price, charges duty based on $1000 instead of the actual $850 selling price. Scenario 2) Same as 1, but customs views it an intentional fraud, and confiscates it outright. Scenario 3) They simply reject it, and send it back to the seller for proof of the $100 value, like an auction printout showing that detector and that buyer. Documentation that doesn't exist, and extra shipping costs, often in both directions. Scenario 4) Your insured package gets lost. You file a claim for $1000. They take one look where you told customs it was only a $100 item, and that's what you get. If all this doesn't convince you to play by the rules, then you're beyond hope. |
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Forum Dad
United States
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And let's not forget the obvious...
I'm not going to break Federal law falsifying a government document so you can cheat on your taxes. That's just dumb and extremely ignorant for anyone to even ask.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote:
they want to stomp on into the post office and demand some sort of, uhm, relief from what they feel to be excessive duty charges, I wanna pull my hair out... or theirs. As the importer, it is your legal responsibility to be aware of the status/classification of your item, and it's nice to be aware of the Tariff Schedule of applicable charges on imports. Part 2 to that is it's out of the hands of the PO. You'd pay the same duty if it came by ship or if you drove it across the border yourself. If anything, customs tends to let postal shipments pass with minimal inspection. Years ago we were in the warehouse of a t shirt printer who imported various clothing. He showed me a ball cap and pointed out a braided string that was attached at both ends and was maybe an inch longer than the distance between the connection points. He asked me to guess the function of the string. I confessed I had no clue. He explained that without the string, it was a baseball cap. With the string, it qualified as a golf cap. The duty on golf caps was several dollars a dozen cheaper than the duty on baseball caps, enough so that it was worth paying someone to sew those useless little strings into every cap, and someone else to remove it once they were past customs. Your gubmint at work. |
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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I receive coins from the US at least weekly,and would never ask a seller to falsify the customs declaration.With the dollar at about par there is so much cross border volume that I haven't been taxed on a less than $100 item in a few years,$100-$200 items slip through occassionaly,and over$200 is always taxed.A couple of weeks ago a seller phoned me to ask if I wanted my $86 item marked as gift,I explained the situation to him,last Friday the coin arrived,$86 marked on the green sticker,no taxes.
As for paypal"gift" purchases,I don't like to do that either.I send birthday money to some of my grandchildren via paypal and fear that soon I will have to pay a fee for these transactions due to abuse of this service by others.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
592 Posts |
Ford Motor Co. imports "Transit Connect" Mini work vans from Turkey.
When they arrive in the US they have rear seats & windows.
In order to not pay a tariff when they get here they tear out the seats & remove the rear glass.
Your Gubmint at work.
I can't imagine living with a VAT.
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Posted 03/27/2011 10:54 pm
