Cleaned Or Not?

If the surfaces are that dull in-hand, then I would say it has had an overly aggressive dip at a minimum.

so help me here with the dull vs. not dull comment. won't coins through normal 'wear' get dull. How does dull play into the cleaning question? This is not an antagonistic question, I really want to know. I guess I'm not seeing the same evidence of cleaning others may be seeing. I certianly see the 'scuffing' on the obverse but since I have never taken an eraser to a coin I guess maybe I don't know what that looks like

thanks biokemist. I see how the dull comment plays here. too much detail, not enough luster likely indicates cleaning, probably dipping or overdipping. I understand that the practice of dipping silver was quite the rage in the 'old' days. I guess it must have been somewhat expected and accepted. I wonder what would happen to to this coin if your used like MS70 on it. would you get back some of that 'luster' or would it just be artificial shine. I like the coin regardless and wouldn't hesitate to add it to mu collection.

exactly my thoughts justcarl. I've often thought about this when I see any 'foreign' coin looking so good. I wonder who actually kept it so nice without it ever having been cleaned. it just seems too much to believe. I would believe that the population of coins that haven't been cleaned in some fashion in their past is really small. That said, I would add this coin to my collection in a heartbeat for the right price (and that is the right price in my eyes not the holder which often means I don't get to add it)