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Is This Brutus Denarius Real?

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 Posted 03/31/2011  3:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Crow to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone! I'm new to ancient coins, and I've been interested in obtaining this denarius for awhile. Does it look genuine? It seems light compared to the ones on VCoins. If it is real, what is it worth?

Thanks.

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 Posted 03/31/2011  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancientcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems to be authentic, although you can never tell unless it is in the palm of your hand. All the signs point to yes. Reputable seller, return policy, etc. If you have the funds go ahead. It is a beautiful coin!

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 Posted 03/31/2011  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are several good signs for this one:
- The seller isn't listed on the FORVM Fake ebay Seller's List.
- While the coin type is depicted several times on the FORVM fake database, all the examples there are well-centred on the reverse; being so far off centre, and with what appears to be a plugged hole on the reverse at 7 o'clock, the value should take a hit.

As a comparison, Wildwinds has 21 examples of this coin; click on the "text" links to see what each of them sold for.

You should also be aware that the "Brutus" depicted on this coin is not actually Brutus the assassin of Julius Caesar, but his ancestor Lucius Junius Brutus, founder of the Roman Republic.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was a little surprised to see the prices that Wildwinds showed for these coins.

It looked like the nice ones went for around 5-600 but the low condition to mid condition ones varied from about 140 to 300. Sometimes one that looked worse to me sold for more than one that looked better (ware, centered ,ect.)

With US coins condition is pretty consistent with price. Does this always work this way with ancients...if you wait and look at a lot of coins you might get the same coin in better condition for quite a bit less?
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 Posted 03/31/2011  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies.


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You should also be aware that the "Brutus" depicted on this coin is not actually Brutus the assassin of Julius Caesar, but his ancestor Lucius Junius Brutus, founder of the Roman Republic.


I was aware of this, but am I correct in understanding that these coins were minted by M. Junius Brutus?

Also, somewhat related, am I correct that this Koson Stater has nothing to do with Brutus, aside from copying imagery from his denarius?
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Correct on both counts, I believe.
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I ended up getting this coin. One thing I'm curious about is why that apparent plugged hole doesn't actually go all the way through the coin? And why would someone plug it with something black instead of silver? I was wondering about possibly submitting it to NGC Ancients. I've never sent a coin to a TPG before. Would they even grade it given the plugged hole and the damage in the word LIBERTAS?

Here are some pictures I took of the coin:

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