8 Reales, 1750, Mexico - Counterfeit/Fake Or Not ?

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MathieuMa Pillar of the Community France 1591 Posts	Posted 04/13/2011 07:11 am Hi, That coin looks nice, but on the other hand I have doubts on it : http://cgi.ebay.com/SPAIN-SILVER-8-...t_585wt_1053 Reasons : the top letters seems to have been punched hard, but at the same time seem "used", the weight (asked the seller about it, but it's too underweight considering the coin look), and overall the coin look too clean. I suppose I have some other reasons - about the general look, I've learned to listen to all those :D Fake or not ? Thanks in advance :) NB : if you come here Swamperbob, can you have a look at the rim pictures I posted on the 1769 Guatemala 8R ? seems fine to me :) Report this Post to the Staff

MathieuMa Pillar of the Community France 1591 Posts	Posted 04/13/2011 08:40 am Coin removed by the seller for now, he will double check the coin. I know that guy is serious :) Report this Post to the Staff
rachums107 Pillar of the Community United States 3345 Posts	Posted 04/13/2011 11:06 am Looks too good to be true to me. Report this Post to the Staff
Westwood Arms Pillar of the Community United States 684 Posts	Posted 04/13/2011 12:47 pm I vote fake. The crown on the right pillar is wrong. The lettering is clumsy considering the condition of the coin. Carl Clegg has a good site for comparative purposes. http://www.columnarios.com/catalog.htm Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 04/14/2011 5:29 pm MathieuMa I have virtually no doubt that the coin is a fake. That is how I classified it when I first spotted it on ebay. I am glad the fellow took it down to get "checked". If it reappears I will write to ask who authenticated it. You say the coin was underweight - Quote: but it's too underweight considering the coin look What weight did the seller confirm? It has to be 26.5 or higher to be correct at this wear level. The coin appears to be one of the modern silver copies that are flooding the market. The coloration which is darker around the raised features looks completely artificial and the surfaces do not appear to have been finished. I see no real evidence of circulation. The real 8Rs show wear patterns in the field areas just like other large bulky coins. The high features look "worn" but all of them that reflect light show horizontal scratches seen on artificially worn coins. This appearance can be eliminated by changing the light angles BUT if the seller is not trying to hide it - it sticks out like a sore thumb. The crowns are correct for 1750 in Mexico City. The alterations made to the Imperial Crown happened starting in 1754 according to Gilboy. The mushy letters are very typical of copies and the overall appearance is just BAD. Unless you want to own a hunk of metal with a value equal to the SCRAP CONTENT only - stay away from this one. Report this Post to the Staff
MathieuMa Pillar of the Community France 1591 Posts	Posted 04/15/2011 09:26 am The weight is 26.5 - and I thought it was not correct considering the coin's pictures (no wear, I thought it should be closer to the 27g - as this one is from a major mint, not guatemala or some "less" professional mint) The seller said nothing, but removed the coin just after my previous comments (sent him almost what I posted here). I'm used to deal with him, I'm sure he didn't tried to sell it on purpose, and he removed it as soon as he got my message in order to check it. As for the crown, you are right :) I'm actually looking for this version, as I got the other one with the imperial crown on the left. Thanks for the confirmation / clarification - I'm glad to be getting used to all this online fake detection :) (thanks to your explanation and other users comments) Report this Post to the Staff
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8 Reales, 1750, Mexico - Fake Or Not ?