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This seems to be an example of a mixed use of the "Latin V" and "Lombardic U" for the vowel "U."
CAROLUS REX SVE[CIAE]
t360, not really. The Swedish word for Sweden is " Sverige". Thus, it is always spelt with a "V", never with a "U", no matter if the writing is Lombardic or Latin. Edited by Litotes
11/19/2011 04:44 am
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Is the mintmark the symbol below the lion?
DVCollector, coins minted in Christiania (1628-1686) have no mintmark - in contrast with later issues from Kongberg (1686-present). The symbol below the lion - the clover leaf - is the mark of Frederik Grüner, at that time the master of the mint. Other coins from this period can sport "F G" as well. |
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t360, not really. The Swedish word for Sweden is "Sverige". Yes, of course, but the legend is written in Latin, not Swedish. The Latin word for Sweden is "Sueciae." See the 1673-D 2 mark piece above, where "Sueciae" is spelled out (not abbreviated) in Latin with a Lombardic "U."
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See the 1673-D 2 mark piece above, where "Sueciae" is spelled out (not abbreviated) in Latin with a Lombardic "U."
You are right. Interesting! This is not listed in my book of Swedish coins, although they list a lot of other variations. Perhaps you have found a rarity. Mixing up letters from what was intended is not that uncommon for the period, though. I thus assume this is a typo. And the typos I know are popular coins. |
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 A print of Charles XI (circa 1680) entitled in Latin "Carolus xi D.G. Rex Sueciae &ct." in the British Museum.  |
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Yes....I hope I did not cause a misunderstanding due to imperfect mastery of the English language. I assume that no engraver will switch from Lombardic to Latin or vice versa during engraving, so the coin was most probably meant to have either two "U"s or two "V"s like the others. Leaving the end result a typo. Same thing as with 1 SKILLING DANSKE 1771 which is known in several varieties, like 1 SKIILING DANSKE or 1 SKILLING DNASKE. Engravers occasionally misspelt.
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I assume that no engraver will switch from Lombardic to Latin or vice versa during engraving, so the coin was most probably meant to have either two "U"s or two "V"s like the others. Leaving the end result a typo. Same thing as with 1 SKILLING DANSKE 1771 which is known in several varieties, like 1 SKIILING DANSKE or 1 SKILLING DNASKE. Engravers occasionally misspelt. My misunderstanding. I agree with you Litotes. |
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1665  FranceEcu of Louis XIIII, mint mark "B" (Rouen).
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Yes, of course, but the legend is written in Latin, not Swedish. The Latin word for Sweden is "Sueciae." I looked around at 2M coins for this year, and I noticed a few had CAROLUS and SVE. If it's an engraver's error, it's one that does makes sense, because I imagine more knew Swedish than Latin in Sweden at the time? |
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Yes. Looking through my Swedish coins today, I noticed a few with CAROLUS and SVE (or SVECIAE.) Apparently some engravers preferred to use the "U" for CAROLUS and the "V" for SVECIAE.
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At the risk of boring you all to tears  , here is some more Sweden. 1665  2 Mark, mint mark "IK"   2 Mark, mint mark "arrow between stars"   2 Mark, mint mark "IAK" |
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Is it simply due to less wear, or do the Tre Kronor from the star/arrow mint look more fanciful?  |
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Bored with Sweden NEVAR ! Here is my 1664 avatar coin, the second oldest specimen I own from this country. The '4' is easier to distinguish by eye than via a photo, even at increased contrast (3rd. pic). It sure does look different than previous 2 M. examples posted. It seems to have been attached to a loop at one time. Hope it's not a fake. ..    |
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Awesome coin! I was hoping you would post it so I could see it up close!  I have a couple of '64s which look quite different too. |
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Happy to oblige, t360! I like how androgynous that portrait appears, complete with the whole facing-to-the-left thing. Before I learned better, I thought it was 'Queen Carol' or something.  Do you know what the m/m letters indicate? Also note the quarter turn rotation as indicated by the position of the mount spot. Very curious to see yours now!  |
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