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How Far Back Can We Go? Ended At 1492 Waiting On 1491

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 Posted 12/28/2011  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry mysilveryears. I would very much like to see your coins.
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We're still moving this thread along at more than double the rate of the coinpeople thread that inspired it. They took almost exactly two years to reach this point, we've made it in less than a year. So going a little slower won't hurt. And it would give people on opposite sides of the world a little better chance to get a coin in occasionally.

Here's my only 1618 - a Spanish 8 maravedis.

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The date's on the reverse, to the right of the lion shield.
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This thread is amazing! Thanks for posting folks.
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I see nothing wrong with allowing posts of any of the most recent ten years as long as a note of the most recent year is made. Those of us not collecting these years don't get to see them very often, so we won't object to seeing more than one of a year.
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Once we reach the earliest of our dated coins, we could "bounce" and start moving forward in time from that date, going on back up to 2012. Everyone would have another chance to show off their coins that got passed by on the way down.
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 Posted 12/30/2011  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtleoverhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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at least a day or so between years to give some others a chance to squeeze a coin in


Where is everybody?
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 Posted 12/30/2011  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I see nothing wrong with allowing posts of any of the most recent ten years as long as a note of the most recent year is made. Those of us not collecting these years don't get to see them very often, so we won't object to seeing more than one of a year.



Once we reach the earliest of our dated coins, we could "bounce" and start moving forward in time from that date, going on back up to 2012. Everyone would have another chance to show off their coins that got passed by on the way down.

Unfortunately, we don't really know when we'll "hit bottom". In theory, since we can use calendars othe than AD, we could go all the way back to a couple hundred years BC, when dates first started to be put on coins. We discussed changing the rules a couple dozen pages back when things got quiet for a few months; we decided back then to leave things alone and see what happens, and look how far we've come since then.

Anyways, it's been (almost) a day since my last coin, so here's my next coin...

1617 Dutch lion dollar (leeuwendaalder), West Friesland province.

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The British were singularly unimpressed with these coins when they arrived on their shores. They called them "dog dollars", partly because the crudely rendered lion looked more dog-like than cat-like to them, partly because the silver alloy was inferior and unpredictable. My coin really is the splotchy yellowish colour on one side you can see in the pics, from being made of poorly mixed low-grade silver.

The leeuwendaalder proved much more popular in trade with eastern Europe, particularly the Ottoman-controlled territories in the Balkans. The names of both the Romanian/Moldovan currency unit, the leu, and the Bulgarian currency unit, the lev, were derived from "leeuweendaalder".

I'm out till 1611.
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The names of both the Romanian/Moldovan currency unit, the leu, and the Bulgarian currency unit, the lev, were derived from "leeuweendaalder".
Wow--I would have never guessed the origin of those units; that's really an interesting bit of history!
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"I would very much like to see your coins."

As I would yours.. and turtle's.. and everyone's. Just not all in one mad rush!
I'd like to extend a huge -THANKS- to everyone who has taken the time and trouble so far to contribute to this great thread. It does take a lot of time and effort to produce quality photos and make informative posts. I appreciate every coin shown, from the lowly minors to the major silver pieces, many of which would never be seen by the casual collector if not for threads like this and those who support them.

So... I have some catching up to do. Beware: LONG post ahead!
Umm.. I think I left off at 1624:


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This ^ is a Salzburg St.Rupert thaler, larger version of a style shown previously. size= 40mm.

My 1623 thaler from the city-state of Hamburg with the castle motif is a personal favorite. size= 42mm.

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I have no 1622, but can show two minor variations of the same coin for 1621 and 1620 These are early Swiss thalers from the Canton of St. Gallen. Note the differences in the bear; on the earlier coin he (definitely a 'he'- !) shows sharper teeth and more menacing claws.

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Lastly, here is a 1617 Saxony thaler of John George, a coin with marvelous details which unfortunately has been lightly hit with a buffing wheel. I own it only because the original purchaser returned it due to the polishing, which does not show in photos. size= 42mm.

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This should catch us up. I'm now out until 1603, and I have a paltry few specimens from the 16th. century. Carry on, group.. looking forward to viewing your magnificent treasures of bygone ages.
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 Posted 01/03/2012  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I lol'ed at the bear, so funny. The reverse of the Saxony thaler is simply amazing, great detail. Lovely coins.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtleoverhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Well done Mysilveryears, I love that feeling of the big chunky Thaler in the hand
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It's interesting to see the old Swiss kantonal currency. At the time, every kanton had their own currency, and trade/travel between kantons was nightmarish due to exchange/tariffs. This may explain why the federal Swiss currency has remained unchanged for so long.
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Sap - I enjoyed seeing your "dog dollar". Some collectors consider them American colonial coinage since they are believed to have circulated in New Amsterdam before the British took over the Dutch settlement and renamed it New York.

mysilveryears - Great group of thalers! The Hamburger castle and the Swiss bears are fantastic!
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 Posted 01/04/2012  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hamburger Castle - you mean White Castle?
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No reason, wrong date, just purty:
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