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Do I Have Counterfeit Silver Quarters?

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 Posted 04/16/2011  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If someone was counterfieting, woulcn't they be doing key dates?
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 Posted 04/16/2011  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cali_Nick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can feel the weight difference in my hand between a worn 1941 and a BU 1964. I think you are probably fine.
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 Posted 04/16/2011  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cuppettcj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your comment, jimineez. I may want to learn to do the other tests. I wanted to add that while most of the 1964 quarters in my roll pass the tissue test with flying colors, as I said above, some of the heavily tarnished ones in that roll do not. In fact, I have one 1964 quarter that actually appears darker than my 1983 cupranickel quarter under the tissue. So I don't think that test is very reliable. In my research, I found this site which evaluates the silver tests in use (but doesn't include the tissue test) and their reliability: http://www.silverbarter.com/avoid_c...erfeits.html . That site rates the ring test (he calls it the sound test) as only poor / average. As the coin dealer demonstrated in the video I linked to above, some good fakes can sound very similar to the the real ones.

According to the silverbarter site, measuring weight and dimensions is one of the best tests you can do to spot a fake. The only way to properly fake that is to use a cheaper metal that has a very similar density to silver, like Molybdenum. Of course, I can always use the nitric acid test to confirm that the plating is silver, which combined with the weight and dimensions measurement would eliminate all fakes except the ones that use silver plated Molybdenum (or possibly another metal that has roughly the same density of silver). I doubt that current fakes, even the good ones coming out of China, go to this length yet (key word yet). I suspect that once silver goes above $50 a troy ounce that this will start to become a real possibility. Once it does, the specific gravity test with very good instruments may be the only way to truly spot a fake. At that point, I plan on acquiring those instruments.
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 Posted 04/17/2011  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimineez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good website,
I plan on reading up on the specific gravity test soon.

I'll tell you that the first time that I tested a coin with a strong magnet & it moved, I was quite worried for awhile until I figured out that silver actually is affected by a magnet!
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 Posted 04/22/2011  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hermanwilliams to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, probably just worn. If you are just buying for silver then buy newer dates. Send us the other ones since you don't want to collect them anyways. :-)
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Your discrepancy on the scale and length measurement doesn't worry me. You aren't really comparing the densities accurately by doing this: there is void space between the low-relief fields on unworn coins when stacked. The high-relief features, such as the rim and high points of the design, are the first things to disappear upon wear. So that's probably why your 1944s seemed more dense.

1964 quarters are simply not worth counterfeiting and there are zillions of them with almost no circulation.
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