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I need help identifying this coin. It is clearly a Silver Drachm from Greece. Hercules Obverse and seated Zeus reverse. I am unable to clearly make out the name on the reverse (meaning I can't see Alexander's name) Hovever I believe it is Colophin mint. Notice the star under the throne. Does this appear to be an Alexander the Great (or around that era) coin?
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King Lysimachus, I believe. I can't see the king's name, either - I can't even be sure whether it's to the left, right, or below the seated Zeus. The word to the right of the throned looks more like "basileos" rather than the name, which wouldn't match the examples of the type on Wildwinds from this ruler and mint, but the three mintmarks - the forepart of a lion, the crescent and the pentagram - all occur on coins of this mint and ruler. Example.
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Thanks. This is helpful. Does the obverse pay tribute to Alexander (is it Hercules or Alexander wearing a Lions head?) or is this coin a posthumous coin for Alexander? What does the pentagram represent?
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Does the obverse pay tribute to Alexander (is it Hercules or Alexander wearing a Lions head?) or is this coin a posthumous coin for Alexander?

I believe the correct answer to your questions is "yes".

The Hercules-and-Zeus design was spread throughout the Greek world during Alexander's reign; while it was not originally intended that the head of Hercules was not actually a depiction of Alexander, it seems to have become a popular interpretation. The design was copied by the various successors of Alexander, sometimes with Alexander's name still on the coin. Eventually, long after Alexander's death, tribute coins to Alexander were issued with an actual portrait purporting to be of Alexander himself replacing the head of Hercules.

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What does the pentagram represent?

The short answer is, "we don't know".

We don't really know what most of the various mintmarks on Greek coins mean; even for the ones where we can clearly read letters in a monogram, we don't know what the letters stand for. Most symbols are personal marks or "privy marks" for individual mint workers and city officials; some symbols, such as the Bee of Ephesus, are intended to be symbols of the city itself, but I don't think the pentagram falls into that category for Colophon. I presume that it's only through study of hoard evidence and other archaeological research that we can attribute these pentagram coins to Colophon.
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While it is clear what the reverse of the coin says (meaning that the name of the king is not clearly evident), would this likely be minted around the reign of Alexander or shortly after his death? The reverse shows what appears to read (in part) A*MAEAZ (I can't decipher the character so I used the asterisk). Knowing this, does it help with the attribution?
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I did a parcial inscription search at Wildwinds (A MAEAZ > 'find more')and found this.

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/bigp...r_III/i.html

Don't know if this will help.
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To the right of the throne, I can read lambda-epsilon-omega-sigma (...LEWS or ...LEOS) clearly; these letters are at the end of BASILEOS but not at the end of the name of any of the kings I can find that issued coinages like this. Unfortunately, "basileos" (king) appears on the coins of all the Hellenistic kings so doesn't help narrow down the date and ID.

If it is basically the same as the Lysimachus coin I linked to above (which is quite likely; I haven't found any other rulers with this mintmark combination used), it would date from some time after Alexander's death - some of the coins with this mintmark combination on the Wildwinds index for this ruler are dated to 301-297 BC; I suspect this is the date range which the most recent scholarship has indicated for these coins.
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Thanks everyone for your responses. This is great! It helped a lot!
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