1923-S Buffalo, Lamination Or Clash? Please Help...

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Darth Anarchus Pillar of the Community United States 1388 Posts	Posted 04/19/2011 01:02 am Just like the title says, I just don't know what to say what this coin is... The area in question is the reverse, at the 3 o'clock position, and around the 6 o'clock position... For all I know it might be a Lamination AND a partial clash, I wonder how often that would happenI've had it for quite some time, and I've been trying to photograph my collection the past couple months or so, and just revisited this one... Any help is much appreciated, Thanks... Report this Post to the Staff

Danester Valued Member United States 213 Posts	Posted 04/19/2011 02:35 am Difficult to tell without seeing the coin in hand. But, from these images the reverse looks like planchet laminations, and the obverse could have clash marks near the Indians throat and chin. The Danester Report this Post to the Staff
mycrob Pillar of the Community United States 2602 Posts	Posted 04/19/2011 10:22 am I think lamination @ 3 o'clock on reverse, 6 o'clock looks like post-mint damage. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 04/19/2011 11:36 am The nice sharp edge, on a worn coin, tends to say "lamination" to me. The obverse feature noted probably isn't a clash - what feature on the reverse runs parallel to the rim near the upper right of the reverse? That's what it would take to form what's seen on the obverse. Report this Post to the Staff
Danester Valued Member United States 213 Posts	Posted 04/19/2011 3:24 pm The Buffalo nickel sometimes clashes with extremely rotated dies and you get something other than the normal "Chin Letters" from "E PLURIBUS UNIUM". Go clockwise from EPU on the Bison reverse and we come to the curvature of the foward upper rear leg, and that's what we might be seeing on the Buffalo nickel above (I would need to see it with a Loupe to confirm). The image below shows Clash Mark from extremely rotated dies where remnants of the Bison's foward lower rear leg is sticking into the Indian's throat. The Danester Edited by Danester 04/19/2011 3:31 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Danester Valued Member United States 213 Posts	Posted 04/20/2011 4:53 pm I'm going to answer a question I had anticipated might by asked by now. If these are clash marks from extremely rotated dies, why dose the coin itself not have an extremely rotated reverse? That's generally the case, because the majority of these extremly rotated die clashes happen during die/press set-up. After proper set up, the dies are then alinged properly (or better). Also, because the clashing happen before the start of coin production, you can expect that all coins from the dies to have the clash marks unless later polished off by a workman, or extensive die usage. The Danester Report this Post to the Staff
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