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Wsj Article On Silver Investing.

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I thought it was interesting. Some reasons to keep getting coins and bullion instead of the funds.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...826806.html?

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Physical is the only way to go. I am not paying for an I.O.U paper when I can hold the real deal myself. You have to put too much faith that in the event of an economic meltdown, the powers that be will make good on their word. No thanks.
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Yep go physical
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With this day and age of tech, all of us have the ability to hand pick silver or gold or any medal from places and dealers we trust, which makes it a no brain-er to have the silver in your possession....

Plus with this posting board and others, no reason to not know what is going on with silver and all pm's and know what others are doing. Where in 1980 everyone was kinda just on their own, minus knowing people in their community or customers of their stores perhaps with similar collecting interests. Just another fundamental reason I think silver is not as volatile as it once was. I could be wrong of course, I guess time will tell....
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Thanks for posting the link to this article... interesting stuff for sure!


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The other silver funds, like most commodity ETFs, are no tax bargain either. If precious metals stay hot, then your future capital gains will generally be taxed at 28% in the iShares and ETFs funds and at an effective rate of 23% in the PowerShares fund.

I had to laugh a bit at this, however. As a person who owns shares in the ETFS Silver Trust (SIVR) in my Roth IRA, I will not be paying ANY tax on my silver ETF gains.

I really do not see this as an either / or question. I own both a small amount of physical silver and the above mentioned ETF. Both have their advantages. The ETF is good because it is so easy to buy and sell... a few mouse clicks and, Presto... bought or sold! It tracks the price of silver quite closely and there are no premiums associated with it. Yes, they do charge a small fee for managing the investment but then so do all of my other paper investments... nothing new there. The fees are minuscule compared to the potential profits.

Finally, a trailing stop can be used with most ETFs that allows your stop price to rise with the share price but that will sell the shares if the price then pulls back by a fixed dollar amount or a percentage of the max price that I choose. This is a great way to protect an investment from a plunging market while still capturing the bulk of any gains. At worst, I get stopped out at a lower profit than I might have made by selling at the market top (a very rare event, BTW). At best, my shares sell at a higher price than I could manage to get via selling manually.
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Thanks for posting. Glad I read it, but I think it was a terrible article. Of all the things that could be written about silver, focusing on a closed end fund seems weak, and that headline...please.

I think the most interesting fact was the a single entity holds one third of all physical bullion. Silver bulls have to be aware they will start releasing as required with redemptions and that will certainly have a price impact.

And EdB, I hear you on the Roth tax treatment, but I have this sneaking suspicion 0% tax is not a sure thing forever. Like SS and rumblings on the mortgage interest tax deduction, I don't think any current tax law is set in perpetuity. And can't a gap move down blow right through your stop?
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And EdB, I hear you on the Roth tax treatment, but I have this sneaking suspicion 0% tax is not a sure thing forever. Like SS and rumblings on the mortgage interest tax deduction, I don't think any current tax law is set in perpetuity.

That is correct. Nothing in this world is permanent. The Roth IS the best we can do with the tools at hand, however. All of the money contributed to a Roth has already been taxed, so it is just the earnings on that money that is tax-free when distributed in an IRS approved manner.

I can see the politicians doing a number of things in this regard without actually ending the Roth tax-free status of current Roth owners. One would be changing the tax status for future Roth owners, as it is MUCH easier to $crew those in the future than those who vote NOW. Second, they could always institute a national sales tax or VAT so that Roth money would be taxed when spent as well as when placed in the Roth. The current administration is VERY Euro-centric, so them proposing a VAT would not be any surprise whatever. The good news is that with a Republican controlled House, the chance of that becoming law is about nil.


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And can't a gap move down blow right through your stop?

That is a possibility but not one with a lot of potential. Such moves in most investments are quite rare events. Recently, this has happened a couple of times but was usually due to a market equipment failure of some kind that was quickly remedied and any trades made during the glitch were repudiated.

Such a price move would not be manageable via the use of any other technique that I know, so this is about the best that can be done to protect the investment. As with the Roth itself, we do the best we can with the tools at hand. As far as I know at the moment, this is about as good as can be managed. No, this does not have a 100% guarantee... but then, what does?
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