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Valued Member
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My area of numismatic expertise does not fully include errors. While, I am acquainted with the basics (Planchet, Die, and Strike), I am not always familiar with details concerning all types and aspects of errors. This brings me to "Double Struck Out of Collar". I currently have a 1964 Jefferson nickel listed on ebay that is Double Struck Out of the Collar. When I first listed the coin I did a search for "Double Struck Out of Collar" and only my listing came up. Later I thought to do a search for just "Double Struck" and then 118 items appeared. So, my question - is a Double Struck coin in the collar more prevalent than a coin Double Struck out of the collar? Or, is a Double Struck coin out of the collar just harder to escape the Mint due to its irregular shape? Or, is it something else that explains 118 to 1? I bought this coin back in 2005 with a group of other errors I was forced to buy because of the price.  The Danester |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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not sure this is called "double struck out of collar" or double struck off center as I don't do errors at all, but I am sure others will chime in and help you
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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did you check all 118 of the other listings to see if they were in-fact struck in collar? My guess is that some sellers either didn't know or didn't bother to include that part of the description.
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Valued Member
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I went back and checked (even searched within the description) and they all seem to have one of the strikes in the collar with the other strike out of the collar. None with both strikes out of the collar as my listing is.
I'm far from an expert on this. We need an expert to do a quick check of the listing, and then weigh-in with information and some defintion guidelines.
The Danester.
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Bedrock of the Community
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OK you have three types of double strikes. Double struck with both strike in the collar. Double struck with the first strike in collar and the second out of collar, and double struck with both strike out of collar. If it is double struck with both in the collar, unless the die rotates between strikes or the coin gets out of the collar and then back in you are not likely to notice it. And a case where the coin gets out of the collar and then back in is very rare because the struck coin basically won't fit back into the collar.
So considering the other two types lets look at their "source material". Now probably 99% or more of the planchets that come into the press get struck as normal coins in the collar. This only leave 1% of the planchets available for making a double strike with both strikes out of collar. But any of those regularly struck coins could potentially become a double strike with one in and one out of the collar. So just from available source material the in and out of collar double strike should be the most common, then both strikes out of collar, and finally both strike in collar.
On the other hand the double strike in collar is the most likely to get through the system and get into circulation. The double struck with both out of collar is most likely to be mis-shapen and caught. The in and out is somewhere in between.
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Valued Member
United States
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OK Conder, that makes rational sense. I guess you could have three more types if the coin flipped over between strikes - is that possible?
The Danester
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Double broadstruck with indent. Let's see what Mike Diamond would call this one. Looks like a very nice bag find on this coin. (Wouldn't fit into a roll)
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Pillar of the Community
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It's a double strike with both strikes off-center. The second strike is uniface (struck against an underlying planchet).
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Bedrock of the Community
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if the coin flipped over between strikes - is that possible? I have seen a Lincoln Cent that was flipped over and double struck where the Obverse had a little bit of the Reverse stamped on a small portion of it |
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United States
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Mike, thanks for your expert input.
The Danester
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Posted 04/30/2011 10:50 pm
