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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: Ok, so the title was tinged with a just a splash of sarcasm.
Mitch, I'm actually waiting for your thread titled "The US dollar is crashing, oooh the humanity" And sadly, I don't think there'll be any sarcasm in that tread!  When you look at our economic situation, it's hard to imagine PM's being anything but extremely valuable.
Edited by Geardaddy 05/09/2011 11:46 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Very well put and a very nice read. And a very good grasp of the situation going on around the planet. You obviously do not get your news from just the States either. After all gold and silver are influenced not only by events here. But events from all around the world add up to the priced we see today. Thanks, Stewart. I try to be as informed as I can be. The Internet is a HUGE resource for everyone with computer access. News from all over the world can be found very quickly. I try not to form my opinions based on 1 or 2 news sources but several instead. The creation of a "world market" began about 15-20 years ago and is proceeding by leaps and bounds. By and large, this is a good thing, as it may be possible to eliminate war from this world via tying it all together economically and financially to the point that war becomes pointless. Many things will become common around the globe. English is very widely spoken in many countries and is easier to learn and speak than Chinese or Russian. When the Russians and the Chinese want to speak to each other, it is frequently in English because the successful people in those countries have traveled quite a bit and have learned English as a way to avoid having to learn multiple other languages. All airline pilots and tower personnel where international commercial flights are concerned must speak English. I believe that a single world currency is not all that far off. Like the Euro, it will probably be a basket currency that is formed from the currencies of several major economies. I am hoping that it will also have some commodity backing of some kind to resist inflation and give it some intrinsic value. Even if it does not, though, it will still be an improvement over the single nation currencies because the whole group of countries will have to vote on how much currency to allow in circulation. No one or two countries could simply run the printing presses 24/7 any more. That would be a good thing, economically and financially, in spite of all the squealing and crying that would ensue from not being able to be completely irresponsible any more and having to live within one's means. If memory serves me, the USA preached that lesson to many other countries around the world over the past 50 or so years and now very well may have to take some of that very same medicine. 
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Canada
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I tend to nod a lot when I read you posts Ed, but I shook my head in a big way this time.
Giving up control of your currency is certainly giving up a lot of control over sovereignty. I don't see this happening, countries for various reasons will maintain their currency controls.
The Euro was different in terms of what went down. It was basically all the other Euro nations adopting the Deutschmark and admitting Germany controlled their economic sphere.
Try to wring the same admission from Canada, Australia and Japan, I don't think the political climate is correct and won't be for some time.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes I have to say IMO, I agree with Ed and most, that China is getting out of the dollar as fast as possible. It is a fact that for years China exported gold and silver, and in most recent years show they peaked out in US dollars around 2009, and since that time a huge amount of dollars has been dumped into, you guessed it, silver and gold. So they go from exporters to importers of pm's.... There is a bank in Mexico city, perhaps the HSBC that no longer accepts the dollar, come on every country knows, this is not new news.... http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3...lly-sheds-thCall me crazy, but China dumping it as fast as they can buy gold and silver, and Mexico not accepting the dollar is a clear sign of the demise of it....
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Buy or sell? That's you're own decision.
The 200 day moving average for silver is about $28.
Remember, the moving average lags, relevent to the daily price.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1150 Posts |
When will the markets get the point? They are outdated and NOT in control of silver anymore.
They can raise the rates to 100%, but they can't stop silver.
Silver up past 38 again...and still climbing!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That rally was kind of short, back down to $35.22. Guess these price swings are going to be the norm.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
648 Posts |
I hope it's in this range for my coin show next week. I will be a buying all kinds of PM's!
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Valued Member
United States
384 Posts |
It looks like the drop may stop at $35. Then maybe $35 to $39.50 would be the range. Yes I do hope it stays in the range for a week as well tripncoins.
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United States
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Quote: Giving up control of your currency is certainly giving up a lot of control over sovereignty. I don't see this happening, countries for various reasons will maintain their currency controls. - Ugly
Nations that print fiat money in amounts VASTLY in excess of their national productivity do not have to "give up" their currency. They are throwing it away as fast as they can. At some point, they cannot decide their financial fate; other countries will TELL them what will happen. If the dollar were to crash, all bets would be off, because we will have proven ourselves totally incompetent financially. At that point, we will have to do whatever those who lend us the money to survive tell us to do. Quote: The Euro was different in terms of what went down. It was basically all the other Euro nations adopting the Deutschmark and admitting Germany controlled their economic sphere. I'm unconvinced that the Euro scenario is all that different. Time will tell on that one and we may have years or even decades before the curtain comes down on the final act. Quote:
Try to wring the same admission from Canada, Australia and Japan, I don't think the political climate is correct and won't be for some time. Creditor nations will not be forced into any world currency. The debtor nations probably will be. Both Australia and Canada have relatively strong currencies and are exporters of raw materials. This puts them in a strong position. They may decide to join a new world currency or they may not. The choice will be theirs. I am not convinced that the US will have this option. We have terrible monetary and fiscal management in this country. It cannot go on like this forever. There WILL be a day of reckoning and it will not be pretty when it arrives.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: wow...at 22 I feel that I am very uneducated when I listen to people on these forums...i hope one day I will be as knowledgeable as some of you here on the forum....i understand what everyone is saying about china and other countries embracing the idea of PM's as great investments.....but what does this mean in the future?....are you saying to forget 401k plans and invest your retirement in pm's or would you balance it and do a 50/50 or more unbalanced as to 25/75....im very interested in everyones opinions and i'd love to stay ahead of the game with my investments.....currently I have a 401k building by $200/month and a PM stash growing by about $150-250/month.....am I going the right route or do you guys think the pm's will be a much smarter way to go?....just curious due to the fact that the information I've read above is very fascinating and scary at the same time........
Flook - First off: congrats on building your retirement at 22! You are well on your way to an early retirement. Over the next few years you are probably going to have additional 'needs' (mortgage, mouths to feed, car payments). Do not loose focus on your retirement. Starting early is the key, the longer your money has to compound, the early you can retire. Secondly: Do not wait until 'some day' to become knowledgable on the market. Do it now, the faster you learn, the earlier you can retire. Read up on it, take personal finance classes, check at a local university, etc. Never stop learning. Thirdly: PMs and other hard assets are an important part of your portfolio. Your PM stash and your 401K (among other things like your house) are part of the same thing: your savings for retirement. Diversification is critical. You should be diversified in what you invest in (stocks, bonds, hard assets, cash, etc), where your investment is (domestic stocks, international stocks, developing countries) and what types of businesses (energy, pharmacutical, staples, etc). At your age, you should be in riskier investments (remember risk and return usually are related). You can handle the big swings (and big payoffs) because your retirement is so far away. As you get closer to needing the money, you will be shifting your assets into 'safer' investments. As you will learn, having 50% or even 25% of your savings in a single vehicle (like silver, or savings bonds, or the stock of your employer) is not diversified. (Think Enron, Bernie Madoff, or the Hunt Brothers). I pray you learn this lesson in theory and not by experience. Keep up the good work, do not wait to invest, stay on top of the market and your investments. Its not rocket science, anyone can do it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would caution that higher risk does not always translate to higher returns. Stocks, for example have gone down in value since 2000, Also, kids who put yheir money in high risk assets and see it take an 80% hit will get frustrated and bail. Financial services firms push kids into risky fnds because they make more in fees.
A good mix is 50% bonds and 50% stocks. Excellent returns, much lower standard deviation. No more than 10% in PM's this silver crash shows why extreme volatility and price manipulation.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1150 Posts |
CRIMEX messin' with marginal rates, again.
I think 35 pieces of paper for an ounce of silver is a ridiculously good deal.
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