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 Posted 10/25/2006  2:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is there anything about a SLQ being uniformly dark that should raise suspicions about cleaning or fake toning?
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 Posted 10/25/2006  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Solid black can be a sign of bleach toning. It's easy to recognize, once you know what it looks like. Get a junk silver coin and carefully put it in bleach - you'll be able to watch it turn black. Look for suspicious toning that goes over devices and letters.

A picture would help...

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 Posted 10/25/2006  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Tbar and welcome to the forum. This is a very friendly place and plenty of expertise and experience to answer most questions.

Do you happen to have a picture you can post? That would help to make a better determination.

Darkening of a silver coin can be caused by a lot of reasons, but if it's uniformly dark (almost black) over all surfaces on both sides (or maybe just one side), I'd be inclined to guess exposure to a high-sulfur environment or other atmosphere to which the coin was exposed. Fake toning is common (oven, chemical sprays and paints, chemical chamber, etc), but we'd need to see a pic of the coin to make a better guess. I doubt cleaning would result in darkening although if it was an amateurish job with the wrong type cleaner, it's possible.

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 Posted 10/25/2006  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The eventual end of any natural toning process of silver is a black coin, but SLQ's haven't been around long enough for that to have happened naturally except under accelerated conditions, like the high-sulphur environment that Fred spoke about. To answer your question, yes, my suspicions would be raised by such a coin. Not necessarily because it had been doctored, but also because of what may lie under the toning.
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 Posted 10/25/2006  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am talking about something along these lines.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...79&rd=1&rd=1

I have seen a few that are uniformly dark like this, which I think is somewhat attractive....but was just wonder if this sort of coloring is natural or the result of cleaning.

Thanks guys.
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 Posted 10/25/2006  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 50cents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This SLQ is o.k. but the seller's feedback is a red flag to me. No telling what you would get, if you got it at all.
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Ya ...I saw that 50. I wasn't really interested in this coin, I'm trying to stick to AU or better.

I was just posting this as an example of the toning I was speaking of. Right now I am just trying to educate myself on grading before I begin making purchases.

I do believe this coin is graded very accurately though....am I wrong?
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 Posted 10/25/2006  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 50cents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it didn't have any more problems, it would be close. SLQs are so hard to grade from images. I suggest going to a coin show or a coin shop and looking at some graded examples in hand first. The coin may be XF but trust me if you spend some time looking at some SLQs first, It will save you some money later.
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