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1943/44 Copper. 43's Everyehere

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 Posted 05/20/2011  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RPeternell to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I asked for was a little advise! This ain't no bull! I just wanted to reason with this coin myself. It is what it is! I added a couple of more photo's for the debunkers, but It doesn't really matter now. I will move on. Yes I did find two 1909 s vdb's in the same location and it happened to be an old bank. I found a whole pewter coin holder full but there were only two 1909's actually 3 but is a plain 1909. It's sad the morals people have nowadays, makes me sick. Yes the coin has the strikings on the reverse also. So, it was jambed and got beat to death. It's always possible that the machine had the markings on the press and needed replaced! I know some of you guys are somewhat smart enough to maybe think that. All I wanted was some simple advise! I will move on to a more adult area! Bye!
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 Posted 05/20/2011  03:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RPeternell to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/20/2011  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gwcregger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, I wish to apologize to you RPeternell, for any responses you may have received, in what my opinion may have been, inappropriate. I myself, was quite astonished at the "tone" of some of the responses you received.

I, myself, am new to this forum. I have seen some really warm and friendly greetings and assistance to new members for the most part.

However, I must say, I have also seen some replies that have seemed to be somewhat quite the opposite, as well. I must admit that if I was asking for assistance in reference to something I was not quite clear on, I would be rather offended, as well.

That being said, perhaps we all need to think and choose our responses carefully before we reply to another member, whether that member be new or a long-time member, so we do not make that member feel unwelcome by inappropriate, or replies that are accusatory.

If I am out of line in my reply, I apologize as well, but this forum is named Coin Community Family for a reason, and every member should feel welcomed and proud to be among other m embers with the same interests in our hobby.
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 Posted 05/20/2011  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will agree with gwcreggers post in that we should try to be a little more respectful with our disagreements towards somebody elses claims.

However, many of the people posting here know a lot about error coins, and when they post their suggestions about what caused the "error", and it isn't what the original poster wants to hear, they are sometimes told that they don't know what they are talking about. When that happens, sometimes the "experts" get a bit testy, and will snap back. So both sides need to be careful how they react.

Someone brought me a common Buffalo nickel once, to find out how much it was worth. Since it only graded around Good, I said maybe 75c or $1.00 if they were lucky. They thought I was nuts, how could it be only that much, it's OLD! So I said, the coin is what it is. Now they won't show me anything they find, because they would rather believe wrongly that they have something wonderful, than be told that in reality they just have something ordinary.

Dave
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 Posted 05/20/2011  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry if you ever felt offended but if you have read the rules, it says that opinions that are made by members are just that, opinions. my opinion was that it is highly unlikely that you would ever find 2 S VDBs, a 14D, and a coin that doesn't exist. and I explain how it isn't possible for that to be made. whats offending about that? I never said it in a tone, I just emphasized the word highly. Usually when a member comes on here that is newer, and posts an extraordinary post about finding rare coins and errors, we doubt, because 99% of the time, there's no picture, no evidence except for a family story about their long lost grandfather or something, and no reasoning, and when you said S VDBs, a 14D, and a 22 weak S found metal detecting, were going to doubt. how can we not doubt? that's at least $3000 in coins there. found metal detecting! so, we wanted answers.

i hope you rethink your moving to another forum, and I am sorry you were offended.
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 Posted 05/20/2011  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RPeternell -

I looked at your original picture postings and then again at your new one, and, I'm sorry, but I don't see any NEW pictures (of different coins). Perhaps you could enlighten us all a little bit more on what you are seeing? Do not take this the wrong way. I am a scientist, and I always look for the evidence and invite open discussion. In this case, you have provided photos, but in order for all of us to assist you, we need to have some more information. As a resource in the meantime, I suggest you seek out www.coppercoins.com.

Please do not be offended by any of the comments you might have felt were in a bad tone. But in the words of Carl Sagan, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". You, in my opinion, have some extraordinary claims:

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2 1909 s vdb's, 1914 d, 1922 weak s, and my favorite. The 1943/44 copper penny.

We would like to help and assist you in the next step.
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 Posted 05/20/2011  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm afraid he is letting his imagination run away with him on the 1944 cent. I don't see a 43 in any of the places he is saying they are at. And why would there be half a dozen 43's all over a 1944 cent? Can't say anything about any of the other coins he says he found because he hasn't shown any of them He might have found them. After all once they were made they had to go somewhere.


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It's sad the morals people have nowadays, makes me sick

We have bad morals because we don't see the same things he does and we say so?


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Yes the coin has the strikings on the reverse also. So, it was jambed and got beat to death. It's always possible that the machine had the markings on the press and needed replaced!

Clearly he does not know anything about how coins are struck.


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All I asked for was a little advise!

You just want advice? OK, don't bother with the 1944 because it is nothing. Any advice on the other coins will have to wait until after you have posted pictures of them. And this is one of the best forums for getting advice.


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I will move on to a more adult area! Bye!

Good luck getting advice on the adult forums.
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 Posted 05/20/2011  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
And, I hope our natural skepticism doesn't come across negatively, because this is a friendly forum after all.

If anyone discovered a genuine Lincoln overdate, they would sure get our congratulations! Naturally, there is a difference between finding a coin with odd marks, and conclusively proving it an overdate on a Lincoln Cent. That's not "debunking"; it's just curiosity and common sense.
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 Posted 05/20/2011  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If anyone thinks that any of the replies posted so far have been harsh, then you must have some really thin skin or you haven't been on the World Wide Web for very long. I see nothing wrong with any of the posts and to be perfectly honest, RPeternell's first post was quite confusing and the provided pics were even more confusing. This forum is about as family-friendly as you can find. If you want to see the proverbial flip side of the coin, go hang out at the PCGS Collectors Universe forum for a while- you will learn the true meaning of flaming over there...

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 Posted 05/20/2011  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drewmiller86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome RPeternell

Just looks like a regular 1944 Wheat penny to me.
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 Posted 05/21/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RPeternell to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


1943/44-Copper.-43's-Everyehere
A badly worn coin but still readable. Since ya'll don't believe what I have found I will post them as soon as I get them into the computer.
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 Posted 05/21/2011  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a 44 over a 33 to me!

However, the 33 (or X3) below the 44 is just our eyes playing tricks on us. There are examples here of repunched mintmarks (RPM), http://www.lincolncentresource.com/RPMS/RPMS.html, and doubled dies, http://www.lincolncentresource.com/...bledies.html.

What you have is interesting, but I don't think it has any numismatic value. Others may have their own opinion, though.
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 Posted 05/21/2011  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinseeker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome back RPeternell. Lots of environmental damage to this coin. It's obviously spent a lot of time taking a "dirt bath". With a little imagination I can see what appears to you to be an S mint mark however, since no cents were ever struck at the San Francisco mint in 1922, the dies were never made and that makes it an impossibility. Sometimes our eyes can play tricks on us.
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 Posted 05/21/2011  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's supposed to be a 1922? Looks like a 1944 to me!
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 Posted 05/21/2011  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am still confused. Mr. Peternell is thi you 1922, 1943/44 or one of your 1909 SVDB's. I am not being a jerk I just still have no idea at what I am supposed to be looking?

Regards Sir.
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