Who Else Could I Contact To Put Pressure On ICCS For Hard

So why not use CCCS if you want hard slabs. Their grading is better, more conservative, and consistent.

Then use a Canadian authorized PCGS dealer to send in the coins for you.

http://www.pcgs.com/dealers/default...2&mn=1&cc=CA

Even your favourite coin dealer is on that list...

SPP-Ottawa:

It is always good not to be first when trying to make a change it is better when the voices of the past, present and future are herd at the same time. The first, second ,third usually fail so the fourth, fifth or sixth may prevail.

Money may be not there issue but the health of there future is like any company one must adapt or fall with the others not willing to change.

I may not be there top client but I know many dealers and they are friends so together we will push.

Just speaking from a raw business perspective, there is a certain brand value to ICCS, yes I agree. It could potentially be leveraged into something more. If the segment of Canadian coins were large enough to support a PCGS style of guarantee, you'd think someone might have made a play by now. I mean CCCS had an opportunity to do this and they also declined opting instead for a pure ICCS type model with some simple technology updates acting as their market differentiators.

Given this, I think the best possible play in the Canadian market is for PCGS to establish a grading office in Toronto and continue what for them is business as usual. There are enough skilled graders in the marketplace to staff and equip such a small satellite office and the ability to draw on the larger companies skilled international coin graders would also be of benefit since nothing makes me giggle harder than US coins in ICCS flips.

I think the corporate entity known as ICCS is just finishing the ride and enjoying the income without any risks or headaches as long as it lasts. I'm sure he (they) knows what is going on and decided consciously against change. It's like renting slum housing... milk the rental income until the final moment when you have to tear it down.

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Matrix, I've contacted the Pentagon and The President's Office. They have promised me they will put the heat on Brian and Scott to start hard slabbin' their coins. We should see a change by early next month! (or else the may call in an F-15 air strike on 2010 Yonge St., Toronto)

Glenn

A very large portion of high grade or rare Canadian coins reside in ICCS holders,but the vast majority of ICCS certified coins are not worth the $30 opinion or even the $15 alternative.
As long as ICCS has great marketplace acceptance,why would the owners change things.
For every high grade coin that goes to PCGS,ICCS grades thousands of coins that are simply not worth the price of a PCGS grade.

I agree with your point for the most part DBM, however the fact that we are having this discussion at all indicates the beginning of a trickle down effect where people are asking questions and looking for alternatives.

For the low end price range, CCCS has it imo. Web enabled database, hard holders for only 20 bucks and a simple web site for getting a submission form and the like. To add to that , the grading is quite decent and the service reasonably speedy overall. While no one is perfect, it's good for the price. One alternative is they charge 10-20 bucks more as an insurance "add on" and offer a compensatory guarantee. I would. For everyone you make a mistake with there are thousands you won't and adding a "protection plan" is the single largest pay point in consumer purchasing. It applies here too.

The hole at the high end is glaring. While I have heard people speak praises of PCGS grading I've seen enough boo boos that my trust level is not entirely there, I have no blind faith anyhow. I keep going back to the nickels from the 20's and early 30's and it's obvious to me they have a hard time telling the difference between AU and MS. I'm not perfect either, no one is, but I get really riled when someone comes in trailing supposed MS 64's that are AU 55's. I mean c'mon... all this tech and capacity for showing wear points in contrast should make it simple to call an AU.

Keep in mind, all my coins are raw. The only time I even think about grading is at sale time so I don't have as much exposure here as many of the slab collectors. Maybe that invalidates my opinion somewhat, I just believes it leaves me flexible until the last possible moment.