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No Proof Coins In Iras?

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 Posted 05/25/2011  12:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://www.coinlink.com/News/genera...ins-in-iras/

The distinction is the kind of crap the IRS is famous for. Unc bullion coins are, well, bullion, but the mint site says proofs are collector coins.

Then again, the same mint site says coins where the biggest words on them are ONE CENT are "pennies", and calls Brass Bucks "golden dollars", so what do they know?
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Then again, the same mint site says coins where the biggest words on them are ONE CENT are "pennies", and calls Brass Bucks "golden dollars", so what do they know?

Probably not a whole heck of a lot, but then, they don't need to know much. They ARE the government and THEY make the rules.

As to IRAs... any US bullion coin or US round or bar of precious metal of sufficient purity can be placed in an IRA. Foreign coins were not OK at one time but that seems to have been lifted to some extent. Don't know if that is just for Canadian coins or not. I do know that the US government had a real mad on with the South Africans for their apartheid laws. Since that government fell and was replaced by a black controlled government, that may have changed. I haven't seen any ads for Krugerrands in IRAs, though. There are lots of web sites that trumpet PMs in IRAs. They would make decent info sources for figuring out just what is allowed in an IRA, as would the IRS web site... if one can dig through all the junk that is there in order to find a nugget or two of useful info. :-/

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Had to explain to a caller that we don't buy gold dollars that are made out of brass. <sigh>
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Your just going to have to give more details on this one.
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Excluding proofs makes sense to me.

Think about it. When the government confiscated gold in the 30s, they only confiscated bullion type products, not collector products. Why? They did not want to pay the collector premium partially because of the cost involved in determining the values on a coin by coin basis.

By allowing only bullion coins in IRAs, confiscation is easy and straightforward. Does that mean they are planning on confiscation? No way of knowing, but bullion in IRAs does make confiscation easy and fast, whereas collector coins would be slow and costly to the government.

To me, excluding proofs is a RED FLAG. Therefore I would never put any kind of gold in IRAs nor any other type account that could be raided.
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Very interesting topic. Confiscation is a very interesting subject. Would someone care to elaborate how/ why the Gumnit would do such a thing and for what purpose? Gold/ Silver held in bona fide investment vehicles (traceable) would be easily taken, however how in the world could PM in physical possession ever be seized?
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Gold/ Silver held in bona fide investment vehicles (traceable) would be easily taken, however how in the world could PM in physical possession ever be seized?


One of the ways it was seized by FDR was automatic lockdown of all safety deposit boxes. You could not access your box without a government official present who would then seize any gold therein.
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Not that any individuals EVER had ANY of their gold seized by the US government. FDR's presidential order on gold seizure was issued on 4/5/33 but, as far as I can find out, this was aimed primarily at the banks because they had LARGE hoards of gold in their vaults. It is FAR easier to grab gold from a few hundred banks than it is from millions of private citizens, many of whom may not have any gold at all. Citizens were "required" to sell their gold to the government at the then current price of $21.67 per oz. Once all of the gold that could be collected was collected, the price was then adjusted to $35 per oz. Anyone who did not turn in their gold for paper money got a 70% increase in the value of their holdings. And that was just for openers. Since then, there have been MUCH larger price increases in gold.

Also, anyone owning a substantial amount of gold had nearly a full month to transfer their gold to another country that was not trying to confiscate gold from its citizens. That was because the order was published on 4/5 but not implemented until 5/1 of that same year. Supposedly, quite a number of people did just that. I am sure that the banks in Canada and Mexico saw some extra business from this.

A note of cheer for anyone worried about gold confiscation: if they do not know you have it, they will not come looking for it. Loose lips sink ships and all that. A great part of private property security comes from the fact that if the people who would steal from you do not know you have it, they are VERY unlikely to come to your place looking for it. Collecting bullion is a great hobby and one that more people should take up. That said, they should also be QUIET about it and not blab about it to friends, co-workers, and neighbors. They may be OK but they also might let it slip to someone else who is not. Anonymity is a collectors best friend.


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