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Real Or Fake? (China Fat Man 1910, Beiyang Dollar)

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Before I say too much, do you all think these are real? I know the answer, but I'm not going to make it easy!

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 Posted 05/26/2011  05:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
weight, please ?
and, does it react to a magnet ?
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 Posted 05/26/2011  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without weight and magnet info, my gut response to them would be "fake". My reasons:

- I've found that "the camera doesn't lie" with regard to these fakes. The zero-silver-content alloy they often use looks silvery enough in hand, but try to take a pic of it and it comes out yellowish. The background paper is nice and white, so it's not bad lighting - the coin really is yellowish.

- They both have the very broad rim and rounded profile typical of these fakes. The broadness comes from the cast-copied die shrinking slightly. The rounded edges come from smoothing off the distinctive deformation caused by the ring die these fakes are usually pushed through.

- The fine details look worryingly wrong, unexplainable by wear, poor strike or worn dies. The "fat man" has a clear sharp collar and lots of hair, but his epaulette is almost completely gone. And the dragon has a nice even coating of scales - the scales on the "high points", in the midline of the body, are usually either worn away or not present due to poor strike.
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haha don't have a scale, but these are non-magnetic.

Well, here's the story. I bought these two the last time I was back in China but forgot to ask everyone. These cost me 15 RMB each, which is quite expensive for fakes, but the designs were so good, at least to my eye, I got them. They seem to be made out of cupronickel, because the longer I held them, the "smellier" they got.

Just wondering how everyone thinks of the level of detail on the designs of these new counterfeits. I personally am amazed at the work on the dragon's body on the Pei Yang dollar. Could be s scary development of what's to come...
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ah - thank you sap!

Just wondering, since these are the best fakes I've seen so far with regards to detail, are there any other giveaways to these "new fakes?"
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